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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #90 on: April 25, 2009, 11:09:28 am »
Whew!  That South African election is a real nail-biter! 
Heh, yeah that was down to the wire but the African National Congress missed a two thirds majority by 0.7%.  I was both vastly relieved and very surprised to here it.  Surprised because the ANC spent hundreds of millions on it's campaign whereas the other parties were running on far, far smaller budgets.  Relieved - obviously - because I don't think any party should have absolute power.

Nevertheless it's still going to be interesting times - we have a new set of policy makers, effectively a new party is in power - and no one knows what said policy will be.  It could be as drastic a change as moving from capitalism to communism but - and this is just me speculating - I think it's going to settle a little closer to socialism.  As an aside the ANC has a lot of communist ties in it's history and at the grass roots and trade union levels there is a strong communist leaning.

Interestingly I've seen the international journalists having a field day predicting doom and gloom for the country (the BBC - for instance - is a bastion of objective journalism) but it may be quite unwarranted.  Thabo Mbeki's cabinet was largely incapable and a changing of the guard could be for the better.   SA feels like it's been directionless for a long time now and any strong leadership may be for the better. 

Time will tell.

Finnish bulletin for those who might care. the leader of the populist party "True Finns" has announced his candidacy for the European Union Parliament elections.
Putting my cynicism hat on, I'm guessing the EU pay a better salary than Finland does.  And speaking of Finland I never knew you used to be a part of Russia - although on reflection I suppose it makes sense what with the Ruskis being right there - but ... live and learn.  Also looking at the election results for 2007 it's weird not to see any party get even 25%.

Another aside: I tend to mistrust anyone who feels the need to put descriptors like, True, Elegant or Democratic in their name because usually they aren't.  Right Mercedes?
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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2009, 11:40:46 am »
Congratulations on the results! Good to see that your country is entering a new and exciting period. Lets hope it works out for the best.

Putting my cynicism hat on, I'm guessing the EU pay a better salary than Finland does.

This is quite true. Another thing that probably aided his decision is that his party has no other candidates with strong name recognition. Anyone else they put up wouldn't have a chance. But Soini is the protector of the people, so he'll probably nail it. After all, Finns love the little guy who tells it like it like they like to hear it.

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And speaking of Finland I never knew you used to be a part of Russia - although on reflection I suppose it makes sense what with the Ruskis being right there - but ... live and learn.  Also looking at the election results for 2007 it's weird not to see any party get even 25%.]And speaking of Finland I never knew you used to be a part of Russia - although on reflection I suppose it makes sense what with the Ruskis being right there - but ... live and learn.  Also looking at the election results for 2007 it's weird not to see any party get even 25%.

We were part of Russia for only around a hundred years, thank god. Before that we were under Swedish rule for 800 years or so. Technically I suppose we were Swedes, as there was no state of Finland before they arrived here and set one up. Which turned out to be lucky for us in the long run, since that heritage made it a lot easier to form a democracy. Even though they might be a bit annoying nowadays, it's thanks to them that we're not Belarus 2 or something like that right now.

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Another aside: I tend to mistrust anyone who feels the need to put descriptors like, True, Elegant or Democratic in their name because usually they aren't.  Right Mercedes?

Yeah, that's usually a pretty good indicator. But it's nice that they take the time to spell it out so we don't have to wonder who to be wary about.
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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #92 on: April 26, 2009, 05:15:58 am »
I seem to recall that the old Russian capital of St. Petersburg was set up where it was specifically to annoy the Finnish royalty, and that the Finnish language has been found to relate only to Hungarian.

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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #93 on: April 26, 2009, 06:39:09 am »
Not quite. There is no such thing as Finnish Royalty, as Finland in itself has never been a monarchy. St. Petersburg was founded to give the Russians a dependable port by the Baltic Sea, from where they'd be able to project power much better. It did annoy the Swedes, so that might be what you're thinking about.

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On 1 May, 1703, during the Great Northern War, Peter the Great captured the Swedish fortress of Nyenskans on the Neva river in Ingria. A few weeks later, on 27 May, 1703 (May 16, Old Style), lower on the river, on Zayachy (Hare) Island, three miles (5 km) inland from the gulf, he laid down the Peter and Paul Fortress, which became the first brick and stone building of the new city. He named the city after his patron saint, Saint Peter, the apostle. The original name was meant to sound like Dutch due to Peter's obsession with the Dutch culture.[4] The city was built by conscripted serfs from all over Russia and also by Swedish prisoners of war[5] under the supervision of Alexander Menshikov and later became the centre of Saint Petersburg Governorate. Peter moved the capital from Moscow to Saint Petersburg in 1712, before the Treaty of Nystad of 1721 ended the war.
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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #94 on: April 27, 2009, 03:21:49 am »
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Relieved - obviously - because I don't think any party should have absolute power.

Indeed. Do you think the ANC would have gone nuts if they had kept the super-majority? Do you think there will be any political shenanigans designed to put them over the limit?

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Another aside: I tend to mistrust anyone who feels the need to put descriptors like, True, Elegant or Democratic in their name because usually they aren't.  Right Mercedes?

So very true... Over here, the Real IRA springs to mind as a similar case. And I'm astonished how many not-terribly-democratic parties/regimes have Democratic in their name. Who do they think they're fooling?

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the Finnish language has been found to relate only to Hungarian.

And Quenya!

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Which turned out to be lucky for us in the long run, since that heritage made it a lot easier to form a democracy. Even though they might be a bit annoying nowadays, it's thanks to them that we're not Belarus 2 or something like that right now.

Yeah, we all know why you like the Swedes, Mr fennoswede. Why don't you go back to Sweden if you like it so much? Huh? Huh?

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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2009, 06:31:24 am »
Indeed. Do you think the ANC would have gone nuts if they had kept the super-majority? Do you think there will be any political shenanigans designed to put them over the limit?

To be fair they've never done anything like that before, so it seems a bit unfair to assume they'd start now. Unless there was some special reason for assuming it this time?

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And Quenya!

I hate to ruin it for you, but Finnish is part of the Uralic language Family, containing plenty of other languages such as Estonian and Hungarian. I'ts not some mystic moon language (unlike say Basque).

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Yeah, we all know why you like the Swedes, Mr fennoswede. Why don't you go back to Sweden if you like it so much? Huh? Huh?

That would be a lot funnier if people hadn't been yelling things like that after me since I was old enough to talk. Uh, I mean oh lol!

Anyway, back to politics. Who do you think will run against Obama next time? Not Palin I assume?
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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #96 on: April 27, 2009, 06:49:50 am »
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To be fair they've never done anything like that before, so it seems a bit unfair to assume they'd start now. Unless there was some special reason for assuming it this time?

No special reason, just it's Zuma and his mates in instead of Mbeki and his. Different crowd, different rules, perhaps. Any opinions, Dragon?

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That would be a lot funnier if people hadn't been yelling things like that after me since I was old enough to talk. Uh, I mean oh lol!

Huh. Apologies if I hit a raw nerve. Seem to recall that one of the germanofinns here had the same problem. Incidentally, do you have dual citizenship?

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Interestingly I've seen the international journalists having a field day predicting doom and gloom for the country (the BBC - for instance - is a bastion of objective journalism) but it may be quite unwarranted.

Are you being seroious or sarcastic about the BBC? I always thought they were pretty good, as these things go.

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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #97 on: April 27, 2009, 10:02:19 am »
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To be fair they've never done anything like that before, so it seems a bit unfair to assume they'd start now. Unless there was some special reason for assuming it this time?
No special reason, just it's Zuma and his mates in instead of Mbeki and his. Different crowd, different rules, perhaps. Any opinions, Dragon?
Yup, what Bleeding Star said.  However as international investors would probably take it amiss if people started fiddling with our constitution I suspect that that - if nothing else would - curtail it.  SA may have it's fair share of stupid and greedy politicians but none are batshit insane like Bob*.  I think they all realise that destabalising the county is a bad idea.

That said I am waiting to see if there will be a law passed to stop the president from being prosecuted.  As an aside the ANC seems to have taken it's (2/3rds) loss with good grace and nobody's screaming that the elections were unfair or rigged so I'm taking it as a good sign.

Are you being serious or sarcastic about the BBC? I always thought they were pretty good, as these things go.
Ah, fraid that was sarcastic.  I sort of get the feeling, when reading one of their articles, that the journalist is a bit surprised that the country hasn't turned into a banana republic yet; but will be there to say 'I told you so' when it does.  As said journalist are probably a South African expat it's not really that surprising. 

The BBC is the best of the bunch but when the competition includes things like CNN international, it's not that difficult.  Actually I do quite like them, it's where I get most of my international news from.

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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #98 on: April 27, 2009, 10:24:15 am »
Anyway, back to politics. Who do you think will run against Obama next time? Not Palin I assume?
I'm almost sure that Palin will run, but I highly doubt that she'll get the nomination.  She's quite unpopular with the public at large.  It's really hard to predict what's going to happen.  The Republican Party is bereft of ideas, and bereft of leadership right now.  Hopefully they'll get their act together in the near future, but they may have to wander in the wilderness for a while.  Of the current crop of Republicans, I think that the most interesting is Mike Huckabee.  He's a social conservative (religious nut) and an economic populist.  He's the only one that scares me, as a Democratic Party partisan. 

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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #99 on: April 27, 2009, 10:48:06 am »
He's a social conservative (religious nut) and an economic populist.
Not a bad tactic in times of uncertainty but not good if you want a structured and functioning government.

Out of interest was Ms Palin really as stupid as the press made out?  It sounded like she was an utter lunatic who couldn't add one and one to get two. 

And I was going to write that surely no democratic country could put forward a candidate who's completely incompetent but then cynicism and memory kicked me in the head.

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« Reply #100 on: April 27, 2009, 08:11:32 pm »
Huh. Apologies if I hit a raw nerve. Seem to recall that one of the germanofinns here had the same problem. Incidentally, do you have dual citizenship?

Heh, sort of. I forgot you aren't from around here and don't realise what you're saying. Fennoswedes, or Swedish-speaking Finns are Finns who speak Swedish as their first tongue. Telling me to go back to Sweden is analogous to telling a French Canadian to go back to France despite the fact that his family has lived in the country for several hundered years. Well it would be if that French Canadian lived in a bilingual area where a small but noticeable part of the majority group feels that it is their duty to lecture anyone talking the wrong language on how they should get out and go "home" to France. Well I say lecture but I mostly mean "yell". Doesn't happen as often now that I'm grown up, must be easier to yell at kids than adults. Oh, and the Swedish state didn't give out citizenship back in 1809 to farmers and fishermen in the conquered areas, so no on that. The germanofinn has a foreign dad (I assume) and lives in a small insular part of the country that was ravaged by the germans in WWII. We're racist at the best of times and he is so in the wrong palce with the wrong language.

I could write a much longer diatribe on this, but the link I provided recites most of the facts and I won't bore you with the rest. Suffice to say that when one encounters racist sentiments based on ones language on a daily basis, one tends to become a little touchy about these things. Even when it isn't necessary.
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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #101 on: April 28, 2009, 10:05:43 am »
Out of interest was Ms Palin really as stupid as the press made out?  It sounded like she was an utter lunatic who couldn't add one and one to get two. 
Beat me.  I never met the woman.  All I have to go on are the same press reports you've seen.  She certainly appears to be an idiot.

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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #102 on: April 28, 2009, 01:58:10 pm »
That, and any time you can find internet pictures of a possible future president in a bikini, it's time to reconsider your vote. Doesn't matter if they're photoshopped or not, really.
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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #103 on: April 29, 2009, 12:14:51 am »
That, and any time you can find internet pictures of a possible future president in a bikini, it's time to reconsider your vote. Doesn't matter if they're photoshopped or not, really.

Because presidents shouldn't wear swim-attire?
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Re: Political Opinion Megathread Dump
« Reply #104 on: April 29, 2009, 01:34:01 am »
It should be illegal for a lot of them, but there are exceptions.
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