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Title: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on August 09, 2006, 02:01:21 pm
Inspired by Lukipela's comment in the Role Call thread...

Where would you like your future to go to? What aspirations do you have, what would you like for your future? Are there any particular things you like to do know, and would want to do something with in the near/far future? Is there anything you would've liked to achieve, but have missed, or have not yet achieved?

Share your stories, here's mine.

As some of you may know, about 2 years ago I dropped out  of school. Having a simple diploma (VMBO, Level 3 in the field of Administration and Commerce, In Holland) I wanted to get into programming, and started an education that was supposed to lead up to that. It was a Level 3 Education focussing on Assistant System Managment. After I would've finished this one, I would have stepped into the Level 4 Education, called Program Design.

All this fueled by the desire to one day make games, and provide a new impulse of (self acclaimed) innovative games.

Unfortunatly, the Education wasn't what it was cracked up to be. There was a lot of theory that would have no merit in actually repairing/servicing Computers and where just there to show you how things work. Also, the Traject I followed was rather loose in that it wasn't particularly clear as to what you where supposed to do, and how you where supposed to do it.

I got fed up with it, and as a result dropped out from school for the next 2 years.

I did a lot of self-reflecting in the 2 years that followed. I wanted to go into game Development, but I was (still am) also actively practicing to play the guitar, hoping to one day be one of the best guitar players that ever lived. For some of you that might seem like a bit far-fetched, and maybe a too amitious goal, but if you're gonna set a goal, you'd better pick one that you won't achieve TOO fast, so you'll have something to do. At least, that's my view on the matter :)

Anyway, I spent a lot of time having meaningful conversations with a ** Not a psychiatrist, but someone who can help people tackle problems of their own, helps people understand their own minds etc. ** and learned a lot about how I worked, and how I reacted to the people around me, and also about how non-verbal communication worked. Wich is something I wasn't aware of up and until that point.

After all of that, I realised that Game Development was still an ultimate goal, but unfortunatly there isn't somekind of an education that aims at just that. There where options, like learning to program (something I've been good at back in the Qbasic days) but things like that cost money, something wich I didn't abundantly have. So I deciced to go to another school, and take the Education for System Management (- A school wich takes a more personal approach at supporting it's students with finishing the Traject). I'd be working with computers, troubleshooting, tech supporting and all that jazz, to make money, to fund my efforts into the Game Dev area of things.

I think this would be a good moment to tell you that I'm not the kind of guy that can 'self-teach' things like programming. It works with my Guitarplay, but that's because how you play has little effect on what sound you get, wich is the actual point of playing guitar. Since Programming requires a bit more theory, it's not as easy to just start with and learn until you're good.

Currently I'm waiting for mid-september, where the Education is supposed to start off, and in the meen time, I play guitar, I game, I do some freelance game development (writing a simple game with someone I know from another forum) and I socialise to get a hang of that part of life.

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But enough about me, how about yourselves? :)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on August 10, 2006, 11:01:39 am
This is an interesting story, and certainly helps me understand your situation better.  Game development seems to be very broad term though.

Tell me, what is it that you feel you have to offer game development? Are you an ideas man, that would like to plan the background story of the game? Would you like to construct the layout of the game itself, crafting an engine capable of conveying the story? Are you interested in the graphical design of ingame objects, such as characters, spaceships and weapons? Do you think that you are just the right man too create an atmosphere through compelling music? Or is it the actual hard coding of events that you wish to work on? In short, there are an enormous amount of different psoitions in game development. which one do you want?

Freelancing sounds like a very good idea. From everything I've read about game developing, i have come to understand that those hiring are much more interested in what projects you have done before, than in any grades you have amassed. So the more side projects you work on, and the more succesful they are, the beter for your future.

Also, do you really need an education to work in tech support? Every single help line I have ever called has been staffed by someone sitting in front of a computer, entering my query, and reading me the answers from a database. Still, any work done around computers and system will probably be good, as it'll serve to familiarise you with different technical branches.

Alright, seing as this is a topic about where we are heading, I might as well tell you about my future.

The future is uncertain. Of course, this is the nature of futures, but mine is far more uncertain than I'd like it to be. I am currently completing my masters thesis, and hopefully I'll be graduated by the end of next month. I have studied process technology, and done my masters in bioprocesstechnology, working with genetically modified cells. So school is out. This of course raises the ugly question "What next?".

Of course, there are several options. Howver, there is one very limiting factor as well. My girlfriend. She is studying to become a teacher. This means she has a minimum of three years of school left. As I am unwilling to separate msyelf from the person I love above all other things, any job I apply for needs to be close enough to my current position for me to either commute or be able to return home for the weekends. This severly limits my possibilities.

There is however, another option. My current boss has several times expressed an interest in having me stay on and do a Ph.D. Such a task would take about 4 years, and would mean that I can stay right where I am. I am not averse to attempting to attain this lofty academic title myself, though I harbour some slight doubts about my abilities to do so.

Of course, things are not that cut and dry. In order take a Ph.D, I need financing. This is notoriously difficult to come by. At earliest, i will find out wether I have any chance to receive financing after christmas. Thefore, at this stage I am completely unsure as to wether I will be able to do this. So my autumn will be spent taking some courses that could be useful for the Ph.D, and looking for jobs at the side. However, if I receive no funding after christmas, I will have to start searching for a job in earnest.

So that's my future. Will I get funding? Wont I? Will I find a job? What if I don't? Insecurity the whole way around.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on November 06, 2006, 02:28:00 am
So, I've now given in all my papers, and will probably be able to graduate this month. That will make me unemployed, so I am now searching for a job. Anyone got any hot tips?

EDIT: I also just turned 25, so now I'm halfway to 50. I feel incredibly old.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Scott_Irving on November 06, 2006, 05:46:06 pm
I applied for a tech support job once.. they turned me down, cause I had to much in-formal training (namely self taught they didn't like that.... evil D%!! wait I wasn't supposed to mention their name!!! duh duh duh!!!)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Sage on November 06, 2006, 09:40:26 pm
Before I really get into ideas about my future, it is better that I start with the past. Seems logical, right?

Since my youth, playing the NES, my dream has been to be a part of creating video games. This what I felt I should be doing. My "destiny", if you will. I have gone through several phases of this. I learned programming in the BASIC days, and have managed to adapt to any other langauge I've had the dedication and patience to put my mind to. I have created art for various concepts, the complexity of which has evolved over the ages. I have tons of ideas in storage. Hell, I'm even attempting to compile some of these ideas into a book!

So what, you ask, is stopping me from doing anything with all of this? Time. It's a bitch. Unfortunately, it is not my bitch. I never seem to have enough of it, and what little I have to myself has been slowly eroding. Some years back (three, I think?), it was the introduction of a girlfriend into my life. Now, it's the introduction of my daughter (yes, that's right, I'm a father).

Despite all of this, I am trying to (paraphrasing Eth) "create my masterpiece" despite the hardships surrounding me. Will I complete it? I don't know. Perhaps on some path of probability I will create something so stupendously spectacular that all will be forced to kneel before my visage and crown me the King of All Space/Time/Probability/*Frog*. Whether my future lies upon that, or some similar, path... Well, only time will tell.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Sedodes on November 07, 2006, 12:34:13 am
I guess I have to explain a bit first before going into my "future."

Family has always been the most important thing in my life.  Ever since I was a child I always wanted to have sons and/or daughters and instill upon them the values that I would later prove to mostly fail to uphold.  Bear in mind that until the age of 23 I had uncompromising integrity and tried to be (and often found myself) the most morally anchored person anyone would have ever met.

Anyway, I always had great potential.  I showed amazing learning abilities in all areas of study and was always placed in the "advanced" classes -- my parents refused to allow me to skip classes, as even at a young age I had a disdain for other children as they were "weak" (mentally, morally, ect.), and they felt I needed the social immersion.  I got bored in school and essentially decided that I enjoyed frustrating others, mostly by "wasting" my potential.  For about the last six or seven years of school I pretty much only did what I wanted (played chess, horsed around on the computer, practiced judo, and antagonized people) and maintained a C average.

After three hours of sleep and no studying, I got a 33 (out of 36) on my ACT and was hungover when I took it.  I fell asleep twice during the testing.  After school I decided to work rather than go to college.  Over the next few years, my moral integrity would slowly erode and I wound up in jail.  After jail I met Jesica, which brings us to the present.

As of right now, I have one plan.  Marry Jesica and start a family.  Seriously, I have no career goals or anything outside of that.  I find it strange that when I went to jail I abandoned the hope I'd had for two decades -- to raise a family -- and buckled down in educational, physical fitness, and career aspects.  All of which kept me busy but none of which made me happy.  Since I've met Jesica I feel like I can focus on doing what makes me happy again.

Objectively, I look at myself and must admit that other people who don't know how happy I am (or that I'm achieving my life's goal) have to consider me a total loser who has nothing but a life of failure ahead.  Occasionally I convince myself that even Jesica must think that.  But she doesn't.  She sees deeper than that.  And that's why I love her -- she understands me.

I used to think that I wanted to achieve a lot.  To be remembered for inventing something great or doing something spectacular.  I thought that when I had kids they'd have some kind of legacy to carry on, to help the world in some way.  But that's not what I want.  I want to be able to do what my father somehow taught me to do -- teach my children how to be happy, regardless of how much or how little impact they have on the world.
Title: OMG OMG OMG
Post by: Lukipela on November 20, 2006, 04:30:37 am
Guess where I'm going? To my very first interview. On Wednesday, at 10.00, I will show up at my potential employers doorstep to be interviewed, and judged. To some of you, this may not seem as much, but this is the first time I've ever been to such an occasion. And if all works out well, I might land an exciting and interesting job close to where I already live and my girlfriend still studies. If this goes well, it's goodbye "student life" and welcome "Life of Luxury"!!

I'm so psyched that i can't believe it. This is going to be so cool. even if I don't get the job, at least I'll know that all those applications I've been sending out are being read, and not just used as toilet paper.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on December 20, 2006, 08:09:38 am
You know that first interview? I got the job. I started this Monday, and am now working as a process planner at an engineering firm. This Tuesday I received my graduation papers from the university. So apparently my heading somewhere is all done now. It all feels rather strange. Two weeks ago I did a whole week in a bar to lift some money for rent and necessities. Last week I was sending out applications, and last weekend I was yet again working in a bar. This Monday I started working a real, day-time job with a good wage. I've been working towards my Masters for five years, and secretly been worried all that time about finding a job afterwards. and then it just happens. And not just any job, exactly what I've been studying to do, what I'm interested in. Everyone at work is nice and helpful, and I get to start off slow and get a feel for it. It's like a dream come true. I still can't quite believe it's true, but I've worked three days already. Sometimes, the Lord moves in mysterious ways.


So, all that remains is work and earning money. Does anyone have a new goal for me to strive toward? Perhaps I should start working on a masterpiece. But what kind of masterpiece?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on December 20, 2006, 01:20:03 pm
Perhaps I should start working on a masterpiece. But what kind of masterpiece?

  A process plan masterpiece? 

  Congratulations, Luki.  I hope I have the same luck when I finish school again. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Sedodes on December 21, 2006, 07:56:00 am
Congrats Luki!  As for what's next, well, why are you asking a bunch of people who still play a fifteen year old video game?

Ironically, you've done what I always thought I wanted to do in grade school.  Not necessarily the process planning, but the "continue school, get a job" thing.  As it turns out, I'm content to drift for the time being.  I always get apprehensive when people ask me about school or getting a "real" job again (I currently deliver pizza and gross about $20/hr which is about $5/hr more than I ever did with even my best "real job").

Do I have "plans"?  No.  I'd like to go back to school; I sincerely enjoy the learning process and the schools I've gone to are actually focused on mental agility rather than drinking, but education is simply no longer an imperitive in my life and the whole "spend more time away from home than at it" thing is really starting to be at odds with my worldview.  As far as a job goes, well, the more "serious" jobs I seem to work the more I realize I dislike their fundamental underpinnings.  Pizza delivery driving is the first job I've truly "enjoyed" for more than 6 weeks and I make enough money doing it that I can buy my needs, afford my wants, and even have money left over.

Besides, Jesica is going to be starting her massage practice in this upcoming year and at $60/hr + tips she's the one with the "career."  btw, I've got the ring and I propose in about four days (give or take; a better opportunity may present itself).
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on December 21, 2006, 09:50:01 am
Congrats Luki!  As for what's next, well, why are you asking a bunch of people who still play a fifteen year old video game?

Ironically, you've done what I always thought I wanted to do in grade school.  Not necessarily the process planning, but the "continue school, get a job" thing.  As it turns out, I'm content to drift for the time being.  I always get apprehensive when people ask me about school or getting a "real" job again (I currently deliver pizza and gross about $20/hr which is about $5/hr more than I ever did with even my best "real job").

  Nice.  Nearly twice as much as I make as a retail slob (though there are plenty of bennies and perks). 

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Do I have "plans"?  No.  I'd like to go back to school; I sincerely enjoy the learning process and the schools I've gone to are actually focused on mental agility rather than drinking, but education is simply no longer an imperitive in my life and the whole "spend more time away from home than at it" thing is really starting to be at odds with my worldview.  As far as a job goes, well, the more "serious" jobs I seem to work the more I realize I dislike their fundamental underpinnings.  Pizza delivery driving is the first job I've truly "enjoyed" for more than 6 weeks and I make enough money doing it that I can buy my needs, afford my wants, and even have money left over.

  That sounds pleasant.  I did that for a few years, at my current job.  I got depressed after a while and eventually needed a change, so I went back to school with the aim to changing to a more fast-paced career where I wouldn't consider a promotion to be "selling out." 

  Not saying you should follow my example or anything; if you're satisfied with the deliverator life, stay there.  Few enough people have jobs they consider to be merely tolerable.  If your bride-to-be is raking in $60, you should have nothing to worry about, financially. 

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btw, I've got the ring and I propose in about four days (give or take; a better opportunity may present itself).

  Yay!  Go, Clark!  Um, she doesn't have any psychsomatic food allergies, does she?   ;)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Sedodes on December 22, 2006, 12:03:22 am
1)  Plenty of bennies and perks as a delivery driver:
2)  I'm sure that at some point I'll be interested in more of a "career" but for now I've found a way to make an obscene amount of money for very easy work that I really enjoy for a company I really enjoy working for.  It's like the four components I never thought could exist in any single line of employment.  It's strange because we have people who've been delivering there for over a decade now (one of them has an appearance, manner, and education that's UNCANNILY similar to Eth's) and on one hand I think how pathetic they must be to be in their late 30's or early 40's and delivering pizzas, while on the other it really makes me think that maybe I've stumbled into that "secret job" that's just perfect and vitually nobody knows about.

3)  She's mildly lactose intolerant, but that's about it.  A bigger deal than anyone not in "the dairy state" would figure it to be, but just slightly on the radar nonetheless.  She'll eat a piece of cheese pizza or have a glass of milk, but will forego seconds.  By no means will she die from simply viewing dairy products.  The real problem is her wine preference -- she prefers very dry white wines while I lean more toward full-bodied reds (which give her a headache).  That being the case we usually compromise.  At home we'll end up with something offbeat like a plum sake or meade, while when we're out at a restaurant it ends up being a mixer or specialty drink from the bar or simply single glasses of our preferred pick from the wine list.

As an aside, her brother is Dana Vanden Heuvel.  If you care to, you can very easily find him on the internet.  He's the industry expert on "B2B blogging" and does symposiums all over the world.  Seven-digit-income type of prominence and seems to always have time to just sit and relax between globetrotting.  On a personal level, he and his chiropractor fiancee are great people.  Tiny little house not even 10 miles from me, Jesica and I to dinner occasionally and being wine enthusiasts (this is where it ties in) they're never hesitant to break out a decade-old Bordeaux even if we're just having stir-fry from a bag.  He and I hit it off pretty well on a techie-level (he's not just someone who's all BS and "how to sell yourself" books) while Timothea and Jesica have a shared interest in bodywork.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on December 22, 2006, 12:22:31 am
  Hmmm...  My sister-in-law threw a Playstation through a plate-glass window once... 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on December 22, 2006, 12:59:15 am
I'm sort of suprised regarding how much I'm enjoying reading about other peoples lives... I don't know, maybe it's because most of you have a most excellent writing style, or maybe it distracts from my own life... wich at the moment isn't too "hot" :)

I've moved to a different city about a month ago, it's a lot closer to school, and instead of having to travel 4 hours a day by train (2 hours, to school, and 2 back) and wasting most of my day either traveling or being 'in school' I now can take a 10 minute bustrip to and from school and I have a lot more free time on my hands, which is cool! I also have really great neighbours (they're at the same school, one of 'em is also in my class, and the other's in Graphical design, and completely insane! But they're both fun to be around... did I mention they have a Wii?) and a very laid back roommate.

With this being the first time I'm "on my own" it brings a lot of new challenges (like groceries, laundry, rent and all that jazz) and a lot of joys!

On the downside, I'm still returning "home" in the weekends which makes my weekdays at home sort of chaotic because I have to calculate the fact that groceries, laundry and all that stuff has to be taken care of in the 4 days that I'm in my own appartment. It's a little hectic and I really hope things will "settle down" though I fear that may take a while.

On a completely different note I've been thinking about the "what's next?" question a lot lately... and I've come to the conclusion that I really want to do something with music. I've always been a musical person, and recently (say the past half year) I've become convinced that I have some sort of talent for playing the guitar. I spend a lot of time with people that are into music themselves (Musicians from many different 'genres', Metalheads etc.) and the general opinion on my guitarplay apears to be very positive... so I think I might do a musical education at a conservatory after I'm done with this education and have a 'day-job' or equivalent.

It's still future music (heh) at this point, because they don't just let anyone join and there's a lot I want to learn in the field of music AND in regard to computers and related affairs, because I'm not too shabby there either...

Oh well, I suppose time will tell :)

Oh and Sedodes, congratulations man! Hope she accepts!
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on December 26, 2006, 09:52:26 am
Congrats Luki!  As for what's next, well, why are you asking a bunch of people who still play a fifteen year old video game?

Because you're just as qualified to guess as anyone else I suppose.

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Ironically, you've done what I always thought I wanted to do in grade school.  Not necessarily the process planning, but the "continue school, get a job" thing.

I never really planned it that way though. I was never really interested in finishing school, I kept branching out and taking courses in different subjects because I found them interesting. The only reason I did a thesis was because I was offered one that seemed interesting. After that, I just kind of stumbled upon a job opportunity and figured that it would be something new and interesting.

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As it turns out, I'm content to drift for the time being.  I always get apprehensive when people ask me about school or getting a "real" job again (I currently deliver pizza and gross about $20/hr which is about $5/hr more than I ever did with even my best "real job").

Each to their own. It's good to rememebr that any job is a "real" job. If you enjoy it and can support yourself on it, then it's "real" enough.

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As far as a job goes, well, the more "serious" jobs I seem to work the more I realize I dislike their fundamental underpinnings.  Pizza delivery driving is the first job I've truly "enjoyed" for more than 6 weeks and I make enough money doing it that I can buy my needs, afford my wants, and even have money left over.

Beyond the fact that the work seems interesting and varied, the underpinnings are really what attract me. I've been doing bar work and shifts in a factory since I was 18. I've never had a job with regular times, where you have the weekends off and don't have to stay up half the night. I'm going to enjoy that.

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Besides, Jesica is going to be starting her massage practice in this upcoming year and at $60/hr + tips she's the one with the "career."  btw, I've got the ring and I propose in about four days (give or take; a better opportunity may present itself).

Your girlfriend is a masseuse? Congratulations. Have you popped the question yet?

Oh, and as to sisters-in laws and brother-in-laws, I suggest you google the company Shareware Promotions. While I have no idea how it works, it essentially meant that when my brother-in-law moved to Finland, he was on the dole, and when they moved away 6 or so years later, he paid slightly over 50% income tax due to his high income. Sometimes the internet works wonders.

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I've moved to a different city about a month ago, it's a lot closer to school, and instead of having to travel 4 hours a day by train (2 hours, to school, and 2 back) and wasting most of my day either traveling or being 'in school' I now can take a 10 minute bustrip to and from school and I have a lot more free time on my hands, which is cool! I also have really great neighbours (they're at the same school, one of 'em is also in my class, and the other's in Graphical design, and completely insane! But they're both fun to be around... did I mention they have a Wii?) and a very laid back roommate.

With this being the first time I'm "on my own" it brings a lot of new challenges (like groceries, laundry, rent and all that jazz) and a lot of joys!

You are living at a good point in life. While it might not feel that hot to have to do your own laundry and cook your own food, this is where you turn into something more than just a teenager, and learn about how the world really works. I'm almost jealous of you, the first time on your own is an inspiring and defining time. Well, unless you took care of the household at home too. If so, then not so much, but still slightly. This is also a great opportunity to forge friendships that will last, and enlargen your contact network, as well as the possibility to leave any old emotional baggage behind.

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On the downside, I'm still returning "home" in the weekends which makes my weekdays at home sort of chaotic because I have to calculate the fact that groceries, laundry and all that stuff has to be taken care of in the 4 days that I'm in my own appartment. It's a little hectic and I really hope things will "settle down" though I fear that may take a while.

Why are you returning home every weekend though? From experience, I'd say that the people who go home the most are the ones who take the longest to get used to their new home, and who have the most trouble creating a new social life there. Try staying there a few weekends, hanging out and enjoying your own peace.

Good luck with the music thing. Keep in mind that professional music is very hard work, to which you have to devote a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears.


Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on December 26, 2006, 03:16:08 pm
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Why are you returning home every weekend though? From experience, I'd say that the people who go home the most are the ones who take the longest to get used to their new home, and who have the most trouble creating a new social life there.

Well... it's two things really:
1. My life is at "home". All my friends... the people I play music with, the people I'm comfortable around, and essentially... the people I grew up with. I had a weird childhood which started when I was around 14... but that's a different story all together.

2. My apartment is what we call "supported living" (rough translation) which entails that you get support with basic needs like getting groceries, making sure your house is clean and cooking but also (and this applies to me most) going out on your own initiative and creating a social circle from thin air.

I've never been one to easily make new contacts if people I know don't already know them. It's autism related and it can make 'making new friends' quite a bit harder if I'm not forced to spend time with them already. (see: In school)

Eventually I'll spend less time at my parents, but more importantly, this form of living is temporary. And that sort of makes it a little harder to get used to... you see... the supported living thing comes with the education (which I mentioned, isn't your regular educational facility) and once I finished that, we'll be looking at jobs and a more permanent form of living.

I suppose that all doesn't make it a lot easier :)

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Good luck with the music thing. Keep in mind that professional music is very hard work, to which you have to devote a lot of time, blood, sweat and tears.

Thanks! I'm not really focused on it at the moment... but I'm driven enough to push through once my current, somewhat messy, situation ends.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on December 26, 2006, 11:50:13 pm
  Enjoy the music.  I've had a lot of good times along those lines, too.  I haven't really kept up with it, though.  I had to either drop music or gaming at some point, and I chose to drop music. 

  The best piece of advice to you I can offer is to avoid going into debt!  Seriously, that shit can ruin your life.  Better to eat ramen for a couple weeks than to start racking up credit card debts or something.  It took Rachel and me like five years to pay off credit card debts that took less than a year to accrue.  Be careful!
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on December 27, 2006, 12:07:01 pm
Disclaimer: I'm only speaking out of personal experience and observation here, I'm in no way qualified to give life advice. Nor do I imply that you need it. This is simply my thoughts on your situation, for better or worse. I realise some of what I say comes through as a little preachy, but feel free to ignore those parts. Hey, what do I know anyway?

Well... it's two things really:
1. My life is at "home". All my friends... the people I play music with, the people I'm comfortable around, and essentially... the people I grew up with. I had a weird childhood which started when I was around 14... but that's a different story all together.

This is something all people who move away from home experience at the beginning. The thing is though, if you go home all the time, you will never start to feel more at home where you live. When I first started studying, I used to go home every second weekend or so. Later on I went home more and more seldom, just as most of my friends started being there more and more seldom. I know people who have gone home every weekend for five years (mainly pampesians). And guess what? They are miserable here. They still don't feel like they live here, because they have very few contacts outside of school. And back home, most of their friends have either gotten families, or moved away, or started studying somewhere else. So they increasingly seldom see their friends either.

This is what you should be wary of. Everything changes. Unless all your friends back home are already settled in with jobs their going to work for the rest of their lives and significant others they intend to marry in a few years, chances are some/most of them will move somewhere else at one point or another. One of my best friends from Gymnasium (ages 16-19) did just that. He went home every weekend, without fail. He was always chastising other peopel for not coming home often enough. He didn't see why he needed to make an new friends, he already had all the friends he would veer need. He's now finishing up his degree, but he has very few friends where he studied. And back home, most of our old pals have moved away, or gotten families. So he lives at his parents, polishing his degree and playing computer games at 25.

Of course this isn't true for all groups. Some groups of friends stay rooted in the same place all their lives.

I'm not saying jump ship and abandon all your old buddies. But would it kill all your friendships at home if you were only home every second weekend? If you got used to where you live, rather than to where you don't?

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2. My apartment is what we call "supported living" (rough translation) which entails that you get support with basic needs like getting groceries, making sure your house is clean and cooking but also (and this applies to me most) going out on your own initiative and creating a social circle from thin air.

I'm confused about how this is a reason for you going home every weekend. Your apartment helps with social things so you don't want to be there? Or am I reading it wrong?

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I've never been one to easily make new contacts if people I know don't already know them. It's autism related and it can make 'making new friends' quite a bit harder if I'm not forced to spend time with them already. (see: In school)

I thought you already had. You know your neighbours who have a Wii. Why not watch a movie and chill with them? You have a nice flatmate. Why not hit the bars together (or farms or whatever you potsmoking lowlanders have). You know some people through your new school. why not try and go for a pizza or something with a few of them. does your school have any sort of tutoring program where you're all divided into groups. In that case, it might be easy to suggest to your tutor that you think going out with the group might be a fun idea.

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Eventually I'll spend less time at my parents, but more importantly, this form of living is temporary. And that sort of makes it a little harder to get used to... you see... the supported living thing comes with the education (which I mentioned, isn't your regular educational facility) and once I finished that, we'll be looking at jobs and a more permanent form of living.

What a capital idea. Only when you have a full-time job, and assurances that you will be able to work there and remain at the same place for 10+ years will you stop travelling back to your home town every weekend. Even if you live at your current location for less than a year, you are still passing up opportunities to make new friends, and get to know new people. Everywhere you live will in some shape or form be temporary. That is no reason to put off living.

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Thanks! I'm not really focused on it at the moment... but I'm driven enough to push through once my current, somewhat messy, situation ends.

Hopefulyl that will work out.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on December 28, 2006, 02:29:35 am
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I'm not saying jump ship and abandon all your old buddies. But would it kill all your friendships at home if you were only home every second weekend? If you got used to where you live, rather than to where you don't?

You're absolutely right! I didn't look at it that way :)

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I'm confused about how this is a reason for you going home every weekend. Your apartment helps with social things so you don't want to be there? Or am I reading it wrong?

Not quite... it's something that has yet to get started (the getting social thing) so up until then I'm more or less huddled up in my apartment all of the week

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I thought you already had. You know your neighbours who have a Wii. Why not watch a movie and chill with them? You have a nice flatmate. Why not hit the bars together (or farms or whatever you potsmoking lowlanders have).

I know my neighbors through school... and my roommate is okay... but he's sort of a social numskull (much like myself... but a tad worse) and to say that I 'enjoy' spending time with him is a stretch.

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Even if you live at your current location for less than a year, you are still passing up opportunities to make new friends, and get to know new people. Everywhere you live will in some shape or form be temporary. That is no reason to put off living.

Well as for the first bit... not really. I'm not so much passing up opportunities as to... not being able to create them. It's a bit difficult to explain but I think the bottom line is that I don't make friends. I don't make friends unless there's a specific situation in which I have to spend time with them.

There's just a lot I'm going to have to get used to and I'm not quite there yet... but I'm working on it! I don't handle changes too well (mayor changes mostly) so I believe that gives me a margin in which I can have a though time with moving out before I "get used to it"

I just have to stay positive :)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on December 28, 2006, 01:01:46 pm
Not quite... it's something that has yet to get started (the getting social thing) so up until then I'm more or less huddled up in my apartment all of the week

Even though this doesn't really help with your social life, try not huddling. Go for walks in your neighbourhood. Explore the city centre. Look for nice movie theatres, pubs, and other places that might be fun to visit. Browse the local stores even if you don't buy anything. Get a feel for the lay of the land so to speak. It beats staring at four walls.

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I know my neighbors through school...

There you go then. Don't make a big deal out of things, just do something fun. Even if you just watch a movie during the week, or run down for a pint, that's still a start.
 
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and my roommate is okay... but he's sort of a social numskull (much like myself... but a tad worse) and to say that I 'enjoy' spending time with him is a stretch.

Well, you can't win them all. But part of life is learning to cope with people you don't like. Not saying you have to spend extended time with him, but it might be good to at least learn to deal with him.

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Well as for the first bit... not really. I'm not so much passing up opportunities as to... not being able to create them. It's a bit difficult to explain but I think the bottom line is that I don't make friends. I don't make friends unless there's a specific situation in which I have to spend time with them.

Then focus on creating such situations. If you're athletic, does your school have any sports teams? Are there any bands looking for someone? Do you have some sort of computer/film/magazine clubs? Is there a debating club? Is there a society for those studying what you are studying that arranges movie nights and such? Is there a society for people from your hometown/part of the country/whatever? Is there a chess club?

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There's just a lot I'm going to have to get used to and I'm not quite there yet... but I'm working on it! I don't handle changes too well (mayor changes mostly) so I believe that gives me a margin in which I can have a though time with moving out before I "get used to it"

Hey, you're trying. That's the important part. These are big life changes, things aren't just going to sort themselves out in a day or two. But as long as we try and dream, life has a funny way of sorting itself out.

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I just have to stay positive :)

Indeed. Positive and active. hit the ground running, and don't let those bastards know what hit them! Or something.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on May 20, 2007, 07:06:40 am
I figured I'd dust this baby off, rather than just going on in the UQM thread. Why don't you fill us in on how your being social has worked out Rider? Made any new friends?

Anyway, where's my life heading? Right now, everything should be fairly nice. I managed to secure employment in my field straight after graduation, I was just offered a full time position and a small raise, and work is generally challenging and interesting. This is the good part. If you care very little for emotional distress, you may skip the rest.

Today however, I am a sad and sorrowful man. For the next 5 months, my life will not be heading anywhere. Yesterday my girlfriend left for France. She will be there for five months, and learn the language. While I'm sure that in a week or so, I'll have gotten used to living alone in our apartment, right now it just feels... wrong. It's too empty. It's lifeless. In many ways it feels pointless.

I obviously expected to miss her, but never this much. I actually feel physically sick to my stomach with worry, and longing. I wish I could just board a plane and go there. Alas, this is not possible.

So for five more months, the future is bleak.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on May 23, 2007, 12:18:22 am
I'm sorry to hear that Luki, it's never easy being really far away from someone you love... but I have a funny feeling that in not too long the future will start to look brighter (5 months is a long time you know...) :)

And as for your question on the being social part... it's progressing slowly but at least it's progressing :)

I have made a few (read 2) friends and I'm sort of proud of that but unfortunatly they're the kind of friend that you like hanging around but once you're no longer living near them they sort of 'disapear'

But hey that's ok, you gotta start somewhere right?

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On another note I'm beginning to get sick of the prospect of being a service employee. I've been doing an internship for a few weeks now and I just don't see myself doing this for much longer then another month or so... and on top of that I find the air that the 'big business men' breathe is too sickening to stand...

Just let me sit in a dark little room a few evenings every week and write up code on demand, at least that way I'll have some more life left outside of work.

And in this time I like to work on music! It's been sitting still for a few weeks (a few short songs, and guitar practice but not really projects or anything) but recently I've started actual composing again! By the time I have anything to show for I'll upload a sample... it's gonna be hot! :D

Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on May 23, 2007, 05:38:26 am
I have made a few (read 2) friends and I'm sort of proud of that but unfortunatly they're the kind of friend that you like hanging around but once you're no longer living near them they sort of 'disapear'

But hey that's ok, you gotta start somewhere right?

  Indeed.  It will get easier in the future, I suspect. 

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And in this time I like to work on music! It's been sitting still for a few weeks (a few short songs, and guitar practice but not really projects or anything) but recently I've started actual composing again! By the time I have anything to show for I'll upload a sample... it's gonna be hot! :D

  I'd love to hear some of your work, Rider. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: 2-23-6 on May 23, 2007, 09:09:21 am
I'm sitting in a computer lab. There's this girl on the other side, with brown hair that kinda looks like my ex. Is it my ex stalking me?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on May 23, 2007, 09:21:03 am
I'm sorry to hear that Luki, it's never easy being really far away from someone you love... but I have a funny feeling that in not too long the future will start to look brighter (5 months is a long time you know...) :)

Yeah, it really does suck. Still, what does not kill us makes us stronger. In a roundabout way I suppose it's good for the relationship, I'm very sure now that I don't want to spend the rest of my life without her.

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I have made a few (read 2) friends and I'm sort of proud of that but unfortunatly they're the kind of friend that you like hanging around but once you're no longer living near them they sort of 'disapear'

That's the thing about friends though. You shouldn't expect everyone to be a life long buddy. I had a lot of friends in my hometown. I only stay in touch with one or two of them. I had plenty of buddies at Uni. 5 months after graduation, I only keep in touch with two of them, and only see one of them any way frequently. I had plenty of great flatmates (10 in all, 4 or so really great). I still keep in touch with two, and see one very occasionally. The point I'm sure you're getting by now, is that we make new friends at every step in life. Some stick around, but most don't. That doesn't mean they are bad friends, or that you are bad at making friends. It just emans that when the thing you had in common disappear, they will no longer feel as relevant.

Also, you shouldn't underestimate yourself. Sure, two friends might feel like very little, but that's two more than you used to have. And now that you've realised that you can make new friends, rather than always depending on your childhood buddies (many of whom will drift away anyhow), it'll be easier next time. at your first workplace. At your hobby club. In the musicians guild. Wherever.

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On another note I'm beginning to get sick of the prospect of being a service employee. I've been doing an internship for a few weeks now and I just don't see myself doing this for much longer then another month or so... and on top of that I find the air that the 'big business men' breathe is too sickening to stand...

Working with people takes a lot of patience, everywhere. But this is especially true in the service industry. As you may or may not recall, I used to do a lot of barwork, and at the end of the day customers can suck very badly. How well you deal with it depends on what kind of personality you have. Some people aren't cut out for it.

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Just let me sit in a dark little room a few evenings every week and write up code on demand, at least that way I'll have some more life left outside of work.

Most jobs require you to work slightly more than a few evening a night though. Work isn't necessarily fun, but bills must be payed.

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And in this time I like to work on music! It's been sitting still for a few weeks (a few short songs, and guitar practice but not really projects or anything) but recently I've started actual composing again! By the time I have anything to show for I'll upload a sample... it's gonna be hot! :D

Upload it when it's ready, we'll talk Scott into linking it on the front page and giving you top exposure among the nerd fanbase.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on May 23, 2007, 10:37:35 am
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Yesterday my girlfriend left for France. She will be there for five months, and learn the language.

No wonder you've been so grumpy recently. You've been making so many snarky comments on UQM I thought you were on the rag. More seriously, you have my sympathy - I've done the long distance thing and it sucks dogs balls in most respects. Good that it helped you focus your thoughts though. Take advantage of her absence to do things that you would like to but can't if she's around, like visit titty bars, drink irresponsibly, and make long posts on almost-abandoned internet forums.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on May 23, 2007, 02:33:19 pm
  Yes, I reme,ber being serperated from my girlfriend (now wife) for months at a time when I lived in Chicago and later Costa Rica.  I got a lot of stuff done that I otherwise wouldn't have.  Most of my solo music recording was done in a tiny one-room apartment in Chicago.  Solitude can be a blessing and a curse.  Take the opportunity that has been put before you; make the most of it!  She'll be back soon. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on May 24, 2007, 04:26:09 am
No wonder you've been so grumpy recently. You've been making so many snarky comments on UQM I thought you were on the rag.


Just out of curiosity, could you link a thread or two where I've been snarky? I've no noticed it myself (other than possibly in jest with Valaggar), so it might be a good lesson to go through it and see it with new eyes. Also, are you registered at UQM? under what name?

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More seriously, you have my sympathy - I've done the long distance thing and it sucks dogs balls in most respects. Good that it helped you focus your thoughts though. Take advantage of her absence to do things that you would like to but can't if she's around, like visit titty bars, drink irresponsibly, and make long posts on almost-abandoned internet forums.

Titty bars and drinking don't really excite me though. Drinking used to, but I'm starting to get too old for it, and titty bars never made sense to me anyhow. So I'll stick to posting :)

Why don't you tell us what it is you do and where you are heading?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on June 03, 2007, 01:22:13 pm
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Just out of curiosity, could you link a thread or two where I've been snarky? I've no noticed it myself (other than possibly in jest with Valaggar)

Er, linking would be too much effort. You sounded genuinely pissed with Valaggar's enthusiastic spamming efforts on a couple of occasions.

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Also, are you registered at UQM?

No, I lurk. One barely functional message board is enough for me just now

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Drinking used to, but I'm starting to get too old for it

You're never too old to drink irresponsibly!

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Why don't you tell us what it is you do and where you are heading?

I'm doing a postdoc in chemistry in San Diego. Hopefully heading to Ireland before too long for postdoc number 2. Right this minute though, I'm off to the beach...
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on June 04, 2007, 04:25:04 am
You're never too old to drink irresponsibly!

You are when it doesn't feel fun anymore.

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I'm doing a postdoc in chemistry in San Diego. Hopefully heading to Ireland before too long for postdoc number 2. Right this minute though, I'm off to the beach...

What sort of chemistry?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on June 04, 2007, 05:26:24 pm
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Lukipela says:
...and playing computer games at 25.

And what is wrong with that? I presume most of the people on this message-board are somewhat similarly inclined... and there's nothing wrong with "polishing your degree", either...

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Rider says:
they're the kind of friend that you like hanging around but once you're no longer living near them they sort of 'disapear'

I'd agree with lukipela here... I found the same thing when I first moved, but just try and get over it and be glad that some of them stay in touch. I use spam emails liberally, and while the stony-cold silences may indicate otherwise, I think most of them are listening. New friends are also good.

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Lukipela says:
What sort of chemistry?

Natural products isolation/structure elucidation, mostly.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on June 05, 2007, 09:16:18 am
And what is wrong with that? I presume most of the people on this message-board are somewhat similarly inclined... and there's nothing wrong with "polishing your degree", either...

Indeed, I am guilty of failing to be specific. What I meant was, I have several friends who are 25/26 whose only hobby is to play computer games. In themselves, games are great. But if you do nothing else, and never socialise with people except for when you play games, something is wrong. I used to play a lot. When I was in my early teens, I could rack up quite a few hours a day, not to mention the weekends. But I don't think spending all your time in front of a game is a healthy thing whern you pass a certain age. there is a whole world out there.

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I'd agree with lukipela here... I found the same thing when I first moved, but just try and get over it and be glad that some of them stay in touch. I use spam emails liberally, and while the stony-cold silences may indicate otherwise, I think most of them are listening. New friends are also good.

And as I said, just be glad for the time you spend with them. It doesn't make it any less real that you wont know them in 10+ years.

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Natural products isolation/structure elucidation, mostly.

And when that is done, where do you intend to look for work? I n the US, or elsewhere? Do you have a significant other who influences where you're going? Do you feel happy with life? enquiring minds wish to know.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on June 06, 2007, 07:57:18 pm
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And when that is done, where do you intend to look for work? In the US, or elsewhere? Do you have a significant other who influences where you're going? Do you feel happy with life? enquiring minds wish to know.

The Kohr-Ah version:

Ireland. Elsewhere. Yes. Sure.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on June 07, 2007, 11:09:13 am
Not much of a talker, are you?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on June 07, 2007, 07:06:37 pm
I've been positively verbose recently, relatively speaking...

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And when that is done, where do you intend to look for work? In the US, or elsewhere? Do you have a significant other who influences where you're going? Do you feel happy with life? enquiring minds wish to know.

Ireland, as that is where the significant other is currently located. It's definitely a big influence, as the long distance thing is getting pretty old right now. But there's a couple of decent groups over there I wouldn't mind working in. Nothing against the US (except for all the rednecks/racists/hippies/foreigners/soda-drinkers), and I wouldn't rule out going back in the future. As for being happy, sure, I've got a job, an SO, and the weather's nice... what more could one want (apart from the aforementioned)?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on June 08, 2007, 08:38:21 am
  A lifetime's supply of soda?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Sedodes on June 08, 2007, 11:27:10 am
My... shall we say... "powers of persuasion"...

Case in point, if I can manage to get a girl to fall in love with me what CAN'T I do?!
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on June 08, 2007, 01:31:52 pm
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A lifetime's supply of soda?

I'm a foreigner. We don't drink that shit, you know.

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Sedodes says:
My... shall we say... "powers of persuasion"...

Which are effectively useless given your.. how did Lukipela put it... "effective castration"? And would be equally useless to me, should I wish to remain as honest and upstanding as ever.

Okay, so there's plenty of things I could want, you overly literal knobs, but generally speaking, I don't. Or not much, anyhow.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on June 08, 2007, 01:50:03 pm
I've been positively verbose recently, relatively speaking..
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This is true, and a joyos thing indeed. Much celebration is required. Hooray!  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :) :) ;D ;D 8)

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Ireland, as that is where the significant other is currently located.

And when currently ends, where will she be going?

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It's definitely a big influence, as the long distance thing is getting pretty old right now. But there's a couple of decent groups over there I wouldn't mind working in. Nothing against the US (except for all the rednecks/racists/hippies/foreigners/soda-drinkers), and I wouldn't rule out going back in the future.

So if you go back, will you go together then?

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As for being happy, sure, I've got a job, an SO, and the weather's nice... what more could one want (apart from the aforementioned)?

I've known plenty of people who aren't smart enough to be happy even though thye've got it good. Glad to see that you are.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on June 08, 2007, 01:58:04 pm
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And when currently ends, where will she be going?

Wherever the wind blows us. Or at least where the jobs are...

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So if you go back, will you go together then?

I bloody hope so

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Glad to see that you are.

I'm, like, super intelligent. Or drunk. Never saw the point of being miserable.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on June 11, 2007, 10:19:08 am
Wherever the wind blows us. Or at least where the jobs are...

So does she work in the same field, or does she do something completely different?

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I'm, like, super intelligent. Or drunk. Never saw the point of being miserable.

An amazing amount of people do though. They're not paid enough, or they lack some special gadget (ultron?) that would make them happy, or whatever. There are thousands of reasons to be unhappy.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on June 12, 2007, 10:20:38 am
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An amazing amount of people do though

To be fair, there's alot of people in the world who do have good reason to be unhappy (poverty/war/famine/the usual), and fortunately I'm not one of them. But many who have life pretty good seem to invent reasons to be unhappy, many of which don't seem very good to me. Perhaps it's part of the human condition. Maybe I've just got naturally high dopamine/seratonin (or whatever, I'm not a bloody neurobiologist) levels.

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So does she work in the same field, or does she do something completely different?

Same sort of thing, or close enough anyhow: electrochemistry. Trying to find two scientific jobs at the same time in the same place is a laugh a minute.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: FreakyM on June 12, 2007, 12:47:04 pm
Hmmh, dropped out of college after 2 years, now I went and entered Vocational school. Studying electronics, hoping one day to build a working railgun. Quess I became a nutter, then.
Also started drinking once or twice in a month.

Where am I headed to? Who knows. With 19 years of age, my life is only about to truly begin.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on June 12, 2007, 02:53:20 pm
  Ahhh, to be nineteen, in vocational school... 

  ...instead of thirty, in vocational school...   :P
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on June 14, 2007, 07:41:28 am
Welcome back. When you say vocational school that is ammattikoulu right? Well, lukio isn't for everyone. In my line of work I meet a lot of vocational school dudes, and they are always busy and earn a lot of money, so on that front your probably set.

Minor update: I've been informed that my place is being transformed from time based (8 months) to indefinite (until we fire you), which is nice. Nice is also the fact that this means a pay rise. Also nice is the fact that my girlfriend will be returning in August rather than October, as she's been offered much better work here.

So all in all, life is pretty good.
Title: Bump bump bumpety bump
Post by: Lukipela on May 15, 2008, 01:35:43 am
Hey guys. I'm bumping this thread because I like it, and any complaints will be ignored. I suppose it is like Livejournal light in a way, but I feel a tad curious about what's happening with my favourite boarders.

Rider, how's school and living on your own going? Made more friends yet? Given up on the service industry?

Sedodes, I know you're busy with house and wife, how is that working out? Was the massage parlour a great success, or merely a happy ending? Regale us with your tales.

Eth, is vocational school treating you all right? How's that animation coming? Any more detailed plans on what to do once you've graduated?

FreakyM: Are you done with vocational school already? What is it you're studying to become exactly? And do you speak German fluently? Will you ever move out of the cold horrible north?

Bleeding Star: Well ,you're only going to answer with a short post anyhow so just let me know what is happening.

Any other members who feel inclined to share are welcome to as well of course.

In the interest of fairness, I might as well share a bit about myself. Currently the situation is looking good. After being with my company for one year, I was rented out to another company. This entailed certain bonuses, and didn't prolong my travel time unduly. It was a bit stressful at first (everyone around me is a client), but I've gotten used to it. My girlfriend hopes to finish her thesis by Christmas, and will then have to start looking for work. I'm sorta kinda maybe harbouring a plan to put in for a transfer request when she's done. It isn't too hard to get reassigned to another country for a year or two, which could be fun if we both managed to go. Question is where to go, and what she would do there. If not, we'll have to see where she finds work and play it from there.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on May 15, 2008, 05:35:41 am
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Rider, how’s school and living on your own going?

Well that school thing sort of had a history... it being it the past and all... anywho, at some point I decided that I was fed up with and I could feel the government instances closing in on my as the end of school drew closer and I was put into a position where I felt I had no other choice but to finish up, get a job and stop complaining. So I sort of snapper under pressure, threw up my arms and spent a month or so not going to school because I couldn't handle the prospect of having lost my choice in this.

Fast forward another month of talks with people, said government instances and the like...

I was made clear that there was NO pressure to do the job I already figured out I hated once I was done with school. Seeing how I really want to do something else, but wasn't sure of what to do, we decided that another plan would be set up come the end of my exams to at least keep the ball (meaning, the path to figuring out what to do, and actually doing it) rolling. I was surprised how layed back the guy from social security was when I talked to him. I had this image of the big corporation looking to get their moneys worth yesterday, but it turned out that they actually work with people so I didn't have to worry about losing my social security paycheck and being forced into a job I would hate.

So since then I've finished my school (in record time no less) and we're working on getting some short internships set up so I can check out different professions and see what I like and dislike about them. All-in-all I think things are going to work out fine.

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Made more friends yet?

Not really, dropped by a local pub a few times, checked out the library and a few other things but it turns out that this city just isn't my kind of place to be. Fortunately, plans are already being worked on for another living place of a more semi-permanent nature a lot closer to home (say, 10 minutes with public transportation) and in a town that's actually alive! Not to mention it's also a lot closer to our capital which, needless to say, houses the most businesses in any concentrated area here.

I'm making more and more friends back "home" though... I guess I just belong there or something ;)

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I’m sorta kinda maybe harbouring a plan to put in for a transfer request when she’s done.

Wow, sounds like a big step! How did she react to that?

And now that I think about it, what did you say you did for a living again?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on May 15, 2008, 07:10:05 am
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I’m sorta kinda maybe harbouring a plan to put in for a transfer request when she’s done. It isn’t too hard to get reassigned to another country for a year or two, which could be fun if we both managed to go

Do it, if you can. International travel is one of the few perks of a science career: and now's the time to do it - before you get your girlfriend knocked up and get tied down with kids (or mortgage or other boring things).

I guess the EU is going to be pretty easy, immigration wise. The states is fantastic for both academic and industry work - San Diego has a nice biotech thing going and the weather is pretty sweet - though I'm sure most of the major cities will be good too. Visas can be a hassle but if you are interested in postdoccing it simplifies things somewhat - or if your company can pull strings over there then that could help too.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on May 15, 2008, 08:44:56 am
  Dude!  Luki!  You should totally come visit us in the States!  You wouldn't believe how much food we waste here! 

  I'm just plugging away at my schooling right now.  I'm halfway through my internship with a small local animation studio, working on a music video.  Next term I will take "Advanced 3D Animation" and some sort of introductory Flash video-game authoring class.  The career services guy here at the school told me that my chances of getting a job doing Flash animation would double if I knew how to do actionscripting, so I'm trying to learn a bit of coding before I graduate.  I never thought I'd be making video games at the school!   :)

  Alek (my eldest) just got accepted at some sort of fancy alternative school, where he will receive academic challenges commensurate with his massive intellect.  So that's good.  I wouldn't want him to turn into a bored slacker like his old man. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on May 15, 2008, 09:50:13 am
Rider: So how are your internship experiences so far? What kind of internships have you liked? What do you think you could do for the rest of your life? As for what my girlfriend said, she liked the idea. It's just a question of if my salary will be able to provide for both of us abroad, or what kind of job she can find. I guess there's always some grocery store or something though, so I'm sure it'll work out. I'm a process design engineer, although I don't know if that tells you much. I'll be happy to give some examples if you're interested.

BS: My company has offices all over Europe which are easy to move around between (supposedly). Going further abroad would be much more difficult, so I'll settle for Europe for now at least. The other alternative is Russia, which doesn't really excite me much. The US, Canada or Australia could be fun in the future, although I'm not too crazy about your unit system.

Eth: Sounds exciting. How many terms do you have left? Lets hope for a nice job after you graduate. And congrats on your son, although I wouldn't call his father a bored slacker considering that he is providing fro a family, and studying at the same time.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on May 15, 2008, 12:24:44 pm
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So how are your internship experiences so far?

Well they're yet to begin so I can't say a lot yet... though I've done an initial day at the first company I'll be doing an internship at and that seems like a fun enough place. Lots of autistic people so that's going to be a hoot (maybe it's the megalomaniak in me that's enjoying all their little 'hurdles' of which I've mastered most already... most notably the social aspects) and the work is pretty diverse. Basically everything from sorting to Administration to photography/photoshop to standing in the store, so I'm really looking forward to that!

So then, what does a Process design engineer do exactly? Is it related to company processes (as found in ITIL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITIL) oriented environments)?

Eth: Sounds awesome, animating for a living! Congrats on the kid too, I know how difficult it can be to have a kid for whom regular education doesn't quite cut it. :)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on May 15, 2008, 04:22:17 pm
Luki:  Three more terms after this one.  You're right.  I'm not a bored slacker any more, but I was all through primary school and the first three years of college (my previous degree). 

Rider:  Internships can be a lot of fun.  I've done several over the years.  It's a great chance to practice "living in the real world" without many of the risks.  Plus, you can ask a lot of questions that are considered sociallly unacceptable for a regular employee to ask.  I have an interview scheduled with my boss for next week; you can bet I'm going to ask a lot of good questions!
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Zeracles on May 16, 2008, 12:03:37 am
Do it, if you can. International travel is one of the few perks of a science career: and now's the time to do it - before you get your girlfriend knocked up and get tied down with kids (or mortgage or other boring things).
I disagree, and I hope they never make me go to some far-flung mountaintop observatory. I'll take doing the science over talking about it any day. And if a science career only has ``few" perks for you, you don't belong there, though, I can only speak as a research student. If you do, then you know that as a researcher (which doesn't include all scientists) you
Although, each of these can vary a fair bit from discipline to discipline. Also, it depends on whether you're actually in research or you have a real job tied to industry. I'm gunning for the former, so that's what I'm talking about.

As for me, right now I'm a research student in astrophysics. My interests are in galaxy evolution (how did galaxies change from the dusty irregular blobs which we see in the early universe to the ``red and dead" ellipticals and grand design spirals we see in the local universe), large scale structure (how is the mass of the universe distributed, what can it tell us about dark matter, and what influence does it have on star formation). Unconventionally, I like philosophy of physics (working on a paper now) and of course a huge clandestine project ;)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on May 16, 2008, 12:48:48 am
Ah yes, the mysterious "Project X."  When will you publish something on that?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on May 16, 2008, 07:04:46 am
Zer and BS, while I can't really take a stand on your discussion about he varying perks of doing science, I'd like to clear something up. I am not a scientist like you. I have neither the brains nor patience to do research, and my job does not involve  being "part of a worldwide community which is a very real part of human progression" unless you count the production of goods as progress. In fact, even my title sounds a bit pompous in English (Master of Science? Yeah right). A more direct and truthful translation would be "Diploma Engineer". I design things, I don't invent them.

So then, what does a Process design engineer do exactly? Is it related to company processes (as found in ITIL (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITIL) oriented environments)?

No, in my case the process in question refers to a process in a factory. How to explain this simply... Well, picture that you've come up with a great new way of purifying water. It involves running it through a great big reactor, where something happens and you get a stream of "better" water out. Your company has employed bright people like Bleeding Star and Zeracles to figure out this process, and now you want to build a factory to produce the stuff. Firrst you need to build a reactor that it can happen in. That's where tier one process engineers come in. They create the reactor in which the process can happen. For a junior guy like myself, that's far too complicated. But once the reactor is ready you have certain process requirements. You know that you want a certain amount of water (12 t/h) at a certain temperature (80C) and a certain pressure (7 Bar) for optimal performance. That's all fine and dandy, but now what?

That's where the second type of process engineers come in. We design the actual factory around the process parameters you need. In this case you can either take your water from a local network or from a tank that is refilled at regular intervals. Then you need a pump to raise the pressure (and move water) and a heater or heat exchanger to heat the water. You need to a check valve for the pump, and some shut off valves around critical equipment, maybe even some spares. You need to define pipe classes and make sure they apply. You need to check for possible problems (is there a regulation valve after the reactor to bring the pressure back down? In that case you might need a safety valve. You need to dimension the tanks, pumps, and heater as well as the pipes for throughput and design parameters such as maximum pressure/temperature. Do you need instruments? Maybe a pressure sensor, temperature indicators and the likes. Level gauge on the tank? Should these be connected to the pump (does it have an inverter?) or just to the system in general? Do we need local instruments?

Don't get me wrong, the process engineer doesn't do everything. In fact, after all these process parameters are defined and the dimensioning is done, other people take over. The piping engineer handles the actual physical planning of pipes. The layout designer looks at proper places to put things. The material engineer checks for trouble with the material classifications. The mechanical engineer defines the mechanical pump construction and the heater. The electrical engineer ensures that your equipment gets power. The automation engineer looks at the defined instruments and how to implement them. When the whole package is done, you have all the blueprints, flowsheets, PI-scheets, schematics and so on necessary. Then you send those out to your contractors, who handle the actual physical building of the plant.

This is a bit simplified as there is a lot of interaction between the different disciplines. But essentially the process engineer begins the work, and after that others take over. Oh ,and process engineering doesn't always mean building a new factory. Sometimes you renew a part, or look at an existing system to improve it somehow, or do something fairly different with help form the standards you know (like explosion risk classification).

ZER: So when you're done it's a career in research then? Do you have any specific plans as to where it's going to be? Any certain universities that interest you and so on?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Zeracles on May 17, 2008, 09:42:04 am
Wow, my last post looks so pompous in retrospect - I guess I was trying to make a point.
I have neither the brains nor patience to do research
I really don't think one needs to be that clever to do research (there are some total dullards floating around), day-to-day it's not so grand, a lot of it is really monotonous, the perks I mentioned usually only get noticed when one takes a step back to admire the view. One of my supervisors told me that a problem is a problem be it theroetical or practical. Up to a point I think it's true, even though we all have things we're best at. The hardest industrial problems can be just as difficult as the hardest research problems. To be honest, researchers are not really smarter than others, they're possibly just more ivory tower. Because of this, having a PhD can actually count against one's employment prospects for jobs where one might have to do something real like helping to keep a factory running :)

And from that description of what you do, it's really no different to a lot of research - if a job is difficult, specialities are created to make individual jobs manageable. Someone else knows how the various infrared, optical and radio detectors and instruments work, someone else went to a far-flung mountaintop observatory to get data for me, someone else processed the data (did something to give me the neat tab-separated text files which I work with), and then I analyse it, and attempt to constrain models which someone else again worked out possibly involving simulations and fairly involved physical arguments.
Ah yes, the mysterious "Project X."  When will you publish something on that?
When you perceive, by the resoluteness of your choice, the X in all things . . .

Actually, I have something coming out soon - my first paper, based on my honours, which was actually a while ago. Satisfying the referee and getting it accepted was more than trivial, but

here it is (http://arxiv.org/abs/0804.3866/)

Unfortunately I was forced to write it in the most ugly way possible. All I did was find galaxies which are extremely red, many of which are massive elliptical galaxies (these are much bigger than our own galaxy, but could be considered ``red and dead", having little star formation - they mostly have old stars) at about half the lookback time to the big bang. Different models of galaxy evolution predict different properties for this population of galaxies. There are two main classes of theory for this. In one of them, massive elliptical galaxies form through the merging of other galaxies. In the other, these massive ellipticals have been around for as long as there have been galaxies. Common sense would suggest that in the former model, one should find fewer and fewer giant ellipticals as one looks further back in time/distance. So by counting the number densities of these objects, we can hopefully conclude in favour of one model over the other.

That's probably the simplest example of why these objects are interesting. On that point, our data wasn't broad enough to judge firmly. The main result of what we did was that we found that these massive ellipticals were associated with faint radio sources (signatures of star formation or black holes) in high redshift cluster environments, which wasn't unexpected, but by selecting specific cluster candidates, we suggest that the highest mass concentrations don't show this, because in the densest regions of the universe at this redshift, most star formation has already happened.

Also I introduce a smoothing algorithm I invented while I was in third year. Recently I used it to create my avatar 8)
ZER: So when you're done it's a career in research then? Do you have any specific plans as to where it's going to be? Any certain universities that interest you and so on?
Hopefully my PhD thesis will fool someone into taking me on in research (I might have to become a lecturer, always wondered if I'd be any good at that). I'm too lazy to think about where I might want to go just yet. I don't have a problem staying where I am, but maybe a bit of a change would be a good thing. Maybe overseas, but if so hopefully not in the West, somewhere more exotic could be nice. Staying in the same place forever can be frowned upon, mixing with other groups is encouraged.

I guess another thing for me is that I'd rather not do it full time. Call me lazy, but I really think a lot of people doing full time work burn out without realising it (not to mention losing sight of what they always wanted, ceasing to read, abandoning the SCDB, et cetera). I'd hate to simply go deeper and deeper into the research, endlessly trying to maximise my paper- and citation- counts, ending up as a world expert on something impossibly obscure, that's quite sad. Might try doing some casual programming work.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: FreakyM on May 17, 2008, 10:02:45 am
I have exactly one year and two weeks of school ahead of me, as of now.
And yes, my german is fluent to the point of being accepted as a native speaker.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Megagun on May 17, 2008, 11:40:35 am
Failing Uni (going to drop out after this year; just trying to pass as many things as I can, though I can't say I'm very muchly so doing any real work on trying to succeed), going to attend something different (non-University) next year. Also trying to cope with not feeling very well at times due to various projects failing (mostly due to trying to get a proper development environment set up, with some working libraries, and then utterly failing to actually get those damned libraries to work (compile), etcetera)... But all in all, I'm pretty okayish.. Just living life, not really knowing where I'll end up yet..
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on May 17, 2008, 12:15:29 pm
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Zeracles said:
I disagree, and I hope they never make me go to some far-flung mountaintop observatory. I'll take doing the science over talking about it any day. And if a science career only has ``few" perks for you, you don't belong there, though, I can only speak as a research student. If you do, then you know that as a researcher (which doesn't include all scientists) you

are at the cutting edge, say no more
have flexible hours (though for some these are many - if this is you, maybe you've made a bad choice somewhere)
get to read fascinating papers
are allowed to innovate and show off your skills - your job as a researcher is to do things no-one's ever done before
are part of a worldwide community which is a very real part of human progression - no better bunch of guys, I reckon

Er, I was talking about working overseas, most of which does not occur on far-flung mountaintop observatories (though it may, in your line). And I did allow for other perks in science, such as some of those you mention above. I'll give a big "amen" on the intellectual stimulation - it's the main reason I'm in science, and the flexible working hours are also a blessing. I'm afraid the other two points are a bit too nebulous for me - though this is perhaps coloured by the fact that the institute director where I studied used the phrase "cutting edge" and other meaningless buzzwords ("world class", another favourite) to the point where you wanted to slit his damn throat with said cutting edge.

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Wow, my last post looks so pompous in retrospect

You're not wrong. Your research topic sounds pretty fascinating, though a bit over my head. Maths and shit ain't my strong point.

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Actually, I have something coming out soon - my first paper, based on my honours, which was actually a while ago.

Congrats. The first one's a nice hurdle to have cleared.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Scott_Irving on May 17, 2008, 12:41:11 pm
Nobody want's to hear about my boring life with the polar bears and seal powered computers. unless your really bored.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on May 17, 2008, 01:02:02 pm
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Lukipela says:
"Diploma Engineer".

An engineer! Get 'im! Enjoy your oodles and oodles of dirty money, you sellout. Well, screw all that stuff I said about research overseas, anyhow.

I did contemplate becoming a chemical engineer early on, but figured it wasn't quite my thing. Too much maths and too much hard coursework.

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Scott says:
unless your really bored.

Bored enough...
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on May 18, 2008, 07:08:40 am
Wow, my last post looks so pompous in retrospect - I guess I was trying to make a point.

A pompous one? ;)

As for the rest, I have to disagree with you. I deal in known things. I may design a damned fine system (and then have to cut down on it because it costs too much), but I use known parts and understood principles. I don't invent new things, and I don't have to come up with any new ideas. I use old and proven ideas instead, which to me seems a lot easier. Any problem I run into can be determined and solved (one way or another) with known science. It's the difference between writing a program that does something completely new and using old programs that have been tried and tested. And there is a certain brilliance you need to do that stuff. I could give it a try, but I really doubt I would succeed.

As far as the whole work thing goes, I agree. A Ph.D can cost you a lot, many people won't hire you. But the people that do will have some very interesting challenges for you. Congratulations on your paper though, it looks very nice. When you talk about the West, do you mean West Australia or something? Or Europe? As for not working full time, that's very scholarly. Most of us don't really have that alternative :(

I have exactly one year and two weeks of school ahead of me, as of now.
And yes, my german is fluent to the point of being accepted as a native speaker.

And then the army after that? planning to go down south to work, or are you staying up there in the frozen wastes? Also, do you find the German helps with the Swedish?

Failing Uni (going to drop out after this year; just trying to pass as many things as I can, though I can't say I'm very muchly so doing any real work on trying to succeed), going to attend something different (non-University) next year. Also trying to cope with not feeling very well at times due to various projects failing (mostly due to trying to get a proper development environment set up, with some working libraries, and then utterly failing to actually get those damned libraries to work (compile), etcetera)... But all in all, I'm pretty okayish.. Just living life, not really knowing where I'll end up yet..


What do you plan to do next year then? Just some small job on the side while you straighten things out?

Scott, as I recall your job is pretty interesting. Why don't you share?

BS: My company is here to make business. This is achieved in the traditional fashion of charging a lot and paying us zergling very little. But as soon as I get an oodle of money, I'll be sure to send some your way.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on May 18, 2008, 07:34:23 am
  All this chatter about engineers, and the description of Luki's job, reminds me of an anecdote about my favorite science fiction author, E. E. "Doc" Smith.  He was a polymath, but his regular job was as a chemist (in the American sense of the word) and chemical engineer.  Anyway, he worked in a doughnut factory, with multi-ton machinery and ovens and such.  Anyway, Doc gets it in his head that the factory isn't arranged properly.  He's left alone in the factory overnight.  When everybody comes in in the morning, every piece of machinery has been moved by about one foot (~0.3 m, for you metric types).  Not only that, but everything still worked (hoses and ducts still attached, etc.).  Nobody ever could figure out just how he did it...
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: FreakyM on May 18, 2008, 09:21:20 am
Yes, it has helped me with the little swedish I have had to understand, and it has helped a LOT.
I'll probably endure the army up here, and after that I will be leaving my farewells to the frozen north.
Planning to settle somewhere a bit mroe south, maybe Oulu, maybe Jyväskylä, or if I feel like it, Helsinki or Turku. Tampere would be nice, too.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Dabir on May 19, 2008, 01:26:47 pm
Most major event I'm facing: Growing my hair long at the advice of a friend. Not quite designing factories.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Scott_Irving on May 19, 2008, 09:34:31 pm
I don't know if my job is that interesting, I install security systems and camera surveillance equipment. It's kinda neat i suppose. It's probably quite a bit bigger deal If I say lived in england... their camera/security crazy.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on May 19, 2008, 09:52:17 pm
I think some of you folks might want to take a time out and read the first post in the thread again. But because I'm such a nice guy, I'm not going to make you do that, but rather quote the pertinent part:

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Where would you like your future to go to? What aspirations do you have, what would you like for your future? Are there any particular things you like to do now, and would want to do something with in the near/far future? Is there anything you would've liked to achieve, but have missed, or have not yet achieved?

This is a thread about where you're life is heading, what you want to do with it and how you hope to achieve it. Alternatively, it's a thread where you can discuss other peoples life choices if you don't feel comfortable with sharing your own. Growing your hair or writing minimal posts about how you really aren't intereting doesn't quite fit the bill. Go over to the random thread or such if you want to do that.

FreakyM: What is it you study in vocational school anyway? What kind of jobs will you be looking for once you're done being a soldier? Do you intend to go the full 12 months in the military?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: FreakyM on May 20, 2008, 04:48:24 am
I'm studying electronics, at the moment. after this, I'll head down to Kuopio or somewhere, I have a little plan of my own..
No, electronics will probably NOT be my career choice, but it was the best choice to study up here.

..and I intend to stick with the 6 months. Of course, that isn't really in one's own hands, but I will certainly try to be as non-officer-material as possible.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Zeracles on May 26, 2008, 04:37:12 pm
When you talk about the West, do you mean West Australia or something? Or Europe?
I just thought India, Japan, Russia or something might be more interesting than anywhere that speaks English or has been industrialised for 50 or more years.
As for not working full time, that's very scholarly. Most of us don't really have that alternative :(
I usually get ``lazy" rather than scholarly, but they mean the same to some ;) Scholarly works because I'm a wannabe renaissance man, and I have artistic pretensions. I certainly don't have that alternative right now, I'm a part-time student but work takes me to something like three-quarter time, and then right now I'm looking for a place to stay (everything so damned expensive in Sydney) so I'm really full-time plus.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on May 29, 2008, 09:15:39 am
FreakyM: Electronics and electrics can bring in quite a bit of dough while you're working on your plan. The economy isn't hotwheeling any more, but anyone who knows installation and practical skills will still find as much work as they can do.

Zer: I've a friend who's been working at university since he graduated (He's now 40, and a Ph.D in Bioprocesstechnology). He's now moving to a private company. You know what his biggest concern is? He come to work earlier than 10, and the company only has flex time til 9. the academic world can be very very different. I wouldn't say it's lazy though, it just looks at things differently. Sounds like you want to go somewhere exotic. May I suggest Finland? Cold and dark, with unfriendly people and loads of alcohol.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: FreakyM on May 30, 2008, 12:33:29 am
It's hilarious, because really, I suggest a year or two in Finland too. This is quite a.. peculiar country, and has certain extreme qualities to it, qualities best experienced oneself.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on June 08, 2008, 12:21:32 pm
Long story short: I was chronically ill for seven years or so, had a surgery that mostly corrected the problem last year. I'm now finally getting to the point where I'm healthy enough to function like a normal person. I didn't get to finish high school, so a GED is probably in the cards sometime in the near future. Other than that, I'm not entirely certain.

What I'd really like to do is go to college and get some sort of engineering degree. I have no clue what kind, though. Civil engineering, architecture, structural engineering, hydraulic engineering, heck, what Luki's doing sounds really, really interesting now that I know it exists.  :P I feel like a kid in the world's most spectacular toy store who's been told that he can pick just one thing. A bit silly, I know, but I can't help wanting to try everything.

The problem with that plan is that I'm not quite healthy enough to be on my own yet. Because I was sick for so long, and mostly sedentary, my legs go shaky when I'm tired, especially up and down stairs. The specialist I went to see for it (the one with the needles and electric shocks) called it 'apraxia.' Which literally means 'out of practice.' This means exercising every day if I can, and that's leaving me with precious little energy to do anything else right now. That's improving slowly, though. Supposedly it's going to take six months or something like that to go away, although I have no idea if that figure is accurate.

In the meantime, I've been working with 'fractal flames,' a computerized art-form. There's a program called apophysis (google it if you want more info) that I use, and I've got some pretty cool stuff that I've done with it. Cool enough that I think I can sell them. I've had some printed off, and applied for a business license. That should be coming pretty soon. I'm planning on selling them at local galleries to start with, but eventually I'd like to move on to selling them online. I kind of think I could make a living off of them if everything goes well, but I still want to go to college. Hopefully I won't have to become a starving artist. But hey! Whatever works, right?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on June 08, 2008, 12:43:14 pm
  Being a starving artist sounds very romantic!  I'm glad you're well down the road to recovery, Fossaman. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Zeracles on June 08, 2008, 03:34:22 pm
Sounds like you want to go somewhere exotic. May I suggest Finland? Cold and dark, with unfriendly people and loads of alcohol.
Everything I know about that part of the world: a friend from Norway I did honours with told me about the unfriendly people there, something about her ancestors raping all our ancestors. Another mate did part of his honours in Sweden, said something about lots of candy. He brought back some shot glasses which we used one night, he'd stolen them from some bar apparently (he's a bad influence, which is to say we did it again here). They were pretty big shots. I've also seen Fucking Amal, not bad I have to say. That part of the world does sound interesting, but I'm not sure I fancy the weather.

(I've played cricket with both these people, which to Luki is like saying I've urinated with them I suppose :P)
Being a starving artist sounds very romantic!  I'm glad you're well down the road to recovery, Fossaman. 
How about a starving scientist, or is that just sad?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on June 08, 2008, 06:30:11 pm
  Yep!  Just sad, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on June 09, 2008, 12:01:01 am
So how about when you're an artist with a social security check?

Or does that just make you a bum?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on June 09, 2008, 09:01:57 am
Depends.  Are you actually producing art every day, or is "artist" in quotation marks?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on June 09, 2008, 01:19:34 pm
Well... every day... I produce art on a pretty regular basis... it just isn't in any fit state to sell/release when I produce said art and I'm currently not taking enough steps to change that fact.

Aren't artists notoriously lazy? ;D
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Zeracles on June 09, 2008, 06:24:57 pm
That's why so many of them are starving ;)
Depends.  Are you actually producing art every day, or is "artist" in quotation marks?
Ooh, yeah why not, "artist" in quotation marks. Like my avatar (but I do other stuff too).
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on June 19, 2008, 04:00:07 am
Fossa: Well that certainly sounds like an adventure. I'm glad to hear you're doing better. And imagine, the world is your oyster now. All you need is to get some physical therapy (swimming maybe?) out of the way, and you can do anything you like. The future is all yours. Spooky, eh? As for studying, I'd recommend thinking long and hard about wehat you want to do. If I've understood things correctly, studying is extremely expensive in your country. It's important that you like what you do and find it interesting, but it might be wise to consider how to pay off your student loan as well. Interest of the monetary kind is a bitch.

But of course, if you figure your artisitic talents can keep you afloat then great! in that case you've got the monetary side set and can basically do whatever else you want.

Zeracles: The weather is nice here in the summer, and in winter it builds character. And speak about your sports all you want, this isn't the country thread. Although I'm surprised anyone here plays cricket, it's fairly obscure in the north.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on June 19, 2008, 09:52:38 am
you can do anything you like.
Actually, you can't.  Sorry.  [/pedantic]
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on June 19, 2008, 11:35:46 am
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Actually, you can't.  Sorry.  [/pedantic]

If I want to strip naked and climb the statue of liberty while singing "O Canada" I darn well can! The arrest afterwards is just incidental.

Luki: Yeah, interest sucks. But my parents were smart about saving for college, so there's a fair bit in the bank. If I've got a job (or other source of income) at the same time, it shouldn't be a problem.

In other news, I have become the victim (beneficiary?) of a bizarre twist of fate. You know how I'm planning on selling art? Well, the lady who runs the photo lab where I ordered the prints from just happens to be a high school teacher at a school specifically for preventing kids from dropping out. She introduced me to the principal, and they think that if I take some Running Start classes (classes at the community college that I can get high school credit for) I can finish my high school diploma within two years, just squeaking in under the wire before public education washes its hands of me. This is the best idea I've heard in a long time. Definitely going to run with it. Icing on the cake? I might be able to earn an associate degree at the same time.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: FreakyM on June 20, 2008, 11:29:06 pm
Do it, then. Don't pass up a chance like that.
Title: Bumbeti bump, bumpety bee, I smell the blood of an elfish tree!
Post by: Lukipela on July 20, 2009, 02:17:25 am
SO I figured I'd bump this old livejournaly thing just for fun. You know it's weird, looking at the post above I realise that we haven't been talking in here since before fossa started his own company. It's weird to see him ponder it just a few posts up and know that by now he has actually realised that dream. Congratulations!

Anyway, I figured I'd bump this mostly because big changes are coming for me. They're partly tied to the economy, but partly my own desire as well. As ardent readers of this thread might recall, I work as a process design engineer for a big consultancy company. For the last 1,5 years I've been working for a single customer close to home, learning a lot about the oil refining business. But that's all over now.

You see, consultants like me sometimes come in to solve just one specific problem. But we can also be hired for longer periods, when a company doesn't have enough manpower to fulfil their own obligations, but are still wary of hiring new employees. When I started with the current customer, that was exactly the case. They had more work than they could handle, but since a recession was already somewhere on the horizon they didn't want to hire more people. SO I did the same work as they're own process designers, sitting in their building and working exclusively with them. But now the recession has hit them as well. No more consultants can be hired, and everyone attached to the company is being cut loose as they now have surplus manpower. So that means I need to find something else to do. Unfortunately, most other businesses are struck by the recession as well, there's no one that I can be rented out to.

Except... About a year ago I floated the idea past my boss that I'd like to go abroad. I've been silently working on that, having a few promising places fall through. But with impeccable timing, around the time it became clear that there will be no new work with the current customer, it was confirmed that there is an opening in Sweden. I speak the language and have most of the credentials, so come August I'm moving to a new country to work. It really worked out well, since the alternative here would probably have been to be included in the next set of layoffs. Instead, I get to go learn new things about how stuff works.

It's not all roses of course. My significant other is straying behind, since she is still studying. The trip isn't long, but having lived together for 3 years it'll still be very odd to be apart so much. Once I get my flat she can easily come over and visit, but I'll be spending the first 2-3 weeks in a hotel where that isn't as easy.

So anyway, I'm heading to Sweden. Where are you heading?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Draxas on July 20, 2009, 07:44:37 am
Come Nov. 1st, wherever married life takes me. Already that means I've gone from New Jersey to Pennsylvania. Perhaps going other places is in the future, though our current plans have us staying put for a while.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Cedric6014 on July 20, 2009, 07:00:16 pm
Draxis Ill beat you to married life by about 2 months.

In about a month Ill travel to California to meet up with my fiance (who arrives there about two weeks earlier). Well marry on 29 August at Lake Tahoe on a boat!

Then well fly to Europe and tour the sausage countries for a month before heading to South East Asia for another month. Then well return home to NZ (and our cat)  and recommence our normal lives.

Since weve been living together for five years we dont expect marriage to dramatically change us too much. But it does mean the option of working in the US is a possibility (once theyre over their stupid recession).
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on July 21, 2009, 12:30:18 am
Wow, lots of big events coming up! Marriage, moving abroad. Kudos on taking control over your lives I suppose :)

The must eventful thing on the horizon for me would be Wacken Open Air 2009.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on July 22, 2009, 05:20:30 am
Yeah, congrats to you folks tying the knot! Your trip sounds pretty rad Cedric, if it happens to take you via Sweden let me know ;). Are you looking to work in the same capacity in the states as you are now in NZ?

The must eventful thing on the horizon for me would be Wacken Open Air 2009.

Did you play there?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on July 23, 2009, 12:25:49 am
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Did you play there?

I friggin' wish! It's only the single largest Metal event of the year. Playing Wacken, even the smaller stages, means you can start living off of your music now.

But no, we're going to the festival with some other folks from HeadbangersFM (http://www.headbangersfm.com) (formerly Power Metal Radio) to do some interviews, hang out at the backstage and have a good time. It'll still be awesome though, it's the 25th anniversary edition this year :)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Cedric6014 on July 24, 2009, 03:22:18 am
Yeah, congrats to you folks tying the knot! Your trip sounds pretty rad Cedric, if it happens to take you via Sweden let me know ;). Are you looking to work in the same capacity in the states as you are now in NZ?

The must eventful thing on the horizon for me would be Wacken Open Air 2009.

Did you play there?

Wont make it to Scandinavia, but funny thing, my little brother is also going to Europe after the wedding and he is going to Norway and Sweden. That is unusual for a kiwi tourist. i have no idea why he's going
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on July 24, 2009, 05:01:48 am
Bloody nowhere, if I can't find a job. Fucking recession.

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Cedric says:
In about a month Ill travel to California to meet up with my fiance (who arrives there about two weeks earlier). Well marry on 29 August at Lake Tahoe on a boat!

Then well fly to Europe and tour the sausage countries for a month before heading to South East Asia for another month. Then well return home to NZ (and our cat)  and recommence our normal lives.

Damn I'm jealous. The holiday, not your fiancee. Not that I'm saying she's hideously ugly or anything. What's a sausage country? Poland, Germany, etc?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on July 30, 2009, 12:39:39 pm
Bloody nowhere, if I can't find a job. Fucking recession.

Sorry to hear that, good luck with finding something.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on July 30, 2009, 06:54:02 pm
ouch. Recession can be a big bitch at times... unfortunately the only thing that people have found that stops recessions so far has been war.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on July 30, 2009, 08:40:01 pm
It doesn't seem to have worked this time.

Now, if we had to mobilize most of our male population and convert all our car factories to make tanks...
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on July 30, 2009, 09:10:53 pm
we would have alot of bad quality tanks. thanks alot ford!
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on August 02, 2009, 02:50:24 pm
Wacken was awesome!!

We got to interview a bunch of cool bands, among which GWAR, which was pretty cool, and the band that ended up winning the Wacken Metal Battle. We seem to have a sixth sense for that kind of thing. On top of official business, the festival was great, the atmosphere awesome and the bands stunning. Most notably Heaven & Hell and Doro.

I'm pooped now, and off to bed.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on August 02, 2009, 04:36:20 pm
we would have alot of bad quality tanks. thanks alot ford!

Mmm...not necessarily. That was a tongue in cheek reference to the industrial mobilization during WWII. Pretty much everybody got a job making military hardware. As a result, the US had a lot more manufacturing capability at the end of the more than it had at the start.

Having just won a war was probably pretty good for consumer psychology as well, of course.
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Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on August 02, 2009, 04:48:16 pm
I know what they could do. Build roads... Lots of roads.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on August 04, 2009, 02:23:45 am
Bloody nowhere, if I can't find a job. Fucking recession.

Sorry to hear that, good luck with finding something.

Thanks. It turns out my contract got extended for another year so I can stop stressing about jobs for the time being. This is a good thing, as academic job applications are a massive pain in the rear end.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on August 10, 2009, 02:21:21 am
Thanks. It turns out my contract got extended for another year so I can stop stressing about jobs for the time being. This is a good thing, as academic job applications are a massive pain in the rear end.

Congrats! Enjoy being gainfully employed for another year. With luck, the recession will be almost done by the time your new contract is up.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on August 10, 2009, 02:24:31 am
Always good to be employed. unless its a really bad job (Septic tank cleaner.)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on August 16, 2009, 10:40:18 am
So right now I'm sitting in a hotel room in a foreign country called Sweden. Tomorrow I start working with a new customer here, doing new and exciting things. And in 3 weeks I'm supposed to get a flat of my own if everything works out. I've left friends, girlfriend and everything I know behind. It feels weird to be all on your own in a foreign place, yet at the same time exhilarating. I miss my life, but there are new challenges to be met. I've been planning this for over a year now, and now that it's come true I can't quite fathom it.

But here I am. I guess for a while now I won't be heading anywhere, just hunkering down and working. It's odd, almost like when I first got a job. After striving for something fro so long I almost feel lost when I have no immediate goal.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on August 16, 2009, 10:53:52 am
Awesome, hope you get the flat there. Sweden's a beautiful country. How far are you from your old place if I may ask?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on August 18, 2009, 02:01:48 am
So right now I'm sitting in a hotel room in a foreign country called Sweden. Tomorrow I start working with a new customer here, doing new and exciting things. And in 3 weeks I'm supposed to get a flat of my own if everything works out. I've left friends, girlfriend and everything I know behind. It feels weird to be all on your own in a foreign place, yet at the same time exhilarating. I miss my life, but there are new challenges to be met. I've been planning this for over a year now, and now that it's come true I can't quite fathom it.

But here I am. I guess for a while now I won't be heading anywhere, just hunkering down and working. It's odd, almost like when I first got a job. After striving for something fro so long I almost feel lost when I have no immediate goal.

Good luck. It can be a bit disorientating. Hope there's not too much bureaucratic nonsense to deal with -does being an EU citizen reduce the amount of red tape? Once you've got your shit sorted make sure you make time to stop and smell the roses (or local equivalent).
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on August 28, 2009, 06:09:45 am
Awesome, hope you get the flat there. Sweden's a beautiful country. How far are you from your old place if I may ask?

It takes me about 8 hours to go home, including a 1 hour plane trip, so not super far. By boat it's pretty much a day or so.


Good luck. It can be a bit disorientating. Hope there's not too much bureaucratic nonsense to deal with -does being an EU citizen reduce the amount of red tape? Once you've got your shit sorted make sure you make time to stop and smell the roses (or local equivalent).


It does reduce that stuff, especially since the Nordic countries have been working together on stuff like this for a long time. While the rest of the EU is excited about easier movement, we've had that for quite a while here. Still, there are some hoops to jump through. And the fact that my company HR seems to think that sending someone to another country isn't really much of a priority and that things can be settled sometime in an unspecified future is a tad annoying. Once I get my flat next week I'll stop up and start smelling a bit more.

Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Bleeding Star on August 31, 2009, 04:28:19 am
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Rider said:

Wacken was awesome!!

We got to interview a bunch of cool bands, among which GWAR, which was pretty cool, and the band that ended up winning the Wacken Metal Battle. We seem to have a sixth sense for that kind of thing. On top of official business, the festival was great, the atmosphere awesome and the bands stunning. Most notably Heaven & Hell and Doro.

I'm pooped now, and off to bed.

Glad you enjoyed it. Is this music journalism stuff something you see as a career, or do you just do it for love of music? Despite my metal ignorance I have heard of GWAR, so it seems you got to rub shoulders with some big shots. Anything else on the calendar?
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on September 01, 2009, 01:48:25 am
Well it's a great way to talk to people in the industry, and that's pretty cool, but I mostly do it because I love the whole scene. I don't know, or rather... don't think, that I will make my job out of journalism, since it's the music I love :)

Yeah we've got another gig coming up with our band, and some others in the works. We're also still trying to get a Demo together but we're all too picky so that might take a little while longer. Our drummer has his own studio so we have the liberty to take forever.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Rider on November 10, 2009, 04:25:53 pm
Well, not quite forever it seems. We've just released the Demo and you can check out one of the songs on the myspace (http://www.myspace.com/coreni) page.

It's only going to get better now!
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on November 10, 2009, 06:47:17 pm
Sounds pretty sick Rider, good job!
Title: Finally heading somewhere!
Post by: Sedodes on November 13, 2009, 01:15:22 pm
Well, I've finally got a direction in my life that I'm passionate about.  The primal force of creation itself has guided my hand toward writing.  I'm on a short break from work right now so I don't have time to go into it, but I'll update later as time allows.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on November 13, 2009, 02:21:08 pm
I'd think you'd be a good writer Sedodes, your good with words.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Nuclear on November 13, 2009, 03:31:37 pm
He's good at manipulating people WITH words :) .
Title: Re: Finally heading somewhere!
Post by: Eth on November 14, 2009, 12:43:01 am
Well, I've finally got a direction in my life that I'm passionate about.  The primal force of creation itself has guided my hand toward writing.  I'm on a short break from work right now so I don't have time to go into it, but I'll update later as time allows.

I'd love to hear about it. 

As for me, my cousin and I are collaborating on a cell phone game.  We'll see if that goes anywhere.  He's doing the game design and coding, and I'm doing the art, animation and sound effects. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on November 14, 2009, 10:19:33 am
Cell phone games can make a killing, same with I pod apps. I remember this story of two people making a fart button app on the I pod and they made millions of dollars.
Title: Re: Finally heading somewhere!
Post by: Lukipela on November 15, 2009, 03:52:36 am
Well, I've finally got a direction in my life that I'm passionate about.  The primal force of creation itself has guided my hand toward writing.  I'm on a short break from work right now so I don't have time to go into it, but I'll update later as time allows.

As I recall, you had several half-finished novels a few years back. Are you finishing up these, or is it a new project?

As for myself, I'm breaking my back working in a foreign country. It's great fun and all, but very time consuming. Thankfully Christmas is coming up and I'll get to go home and celebrate. I'm slightly worried about getting more and more experience with oil, it seems immoral on some level. But hopefully it'll lead me into other parts of the energy sector eventually.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Draxas on November 16, 2009, 09:24:48 am
Come Nov. 1st, wherever married life takes me. Already that means I've gone from New Jersey to Pennsylvania. Perhaps going other places is in the future, though our current plans have us staying put for a while.

Oh hey, look. I've arrived!

Everyone said before that being married changes your relationship. I haven't felt any of that yet (probably because we don't want kids immediately), it seems pretty much the same as before. It did give us an excellent excuse to spend 11 days in the tropics, though! ;D
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on November 16, 2009, 12:03:22 pm
Always fun Draxis, any excuse to vacate for abit.  :D
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Sedodes on November 17, 2009, 11:35:09 am
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Everyone said before that being married changes your relationship. I haven't felt any of that yet (probably because we don't want kids immediately), it seems pretty much the same as before. It did give us an excellent excuse to spend 11 days in the tropics, though! ;D

Give it time.  The problem is that women expect men to change, and men expect women not to.  Seems funny now, right?  Just wait... I said this same thing to my wife when we met.  She laughed.  Now when I remind her she gets pissed off that I've proven to be as insightful as I claim.

Men and women tend to have a "dog and cat" personality difference which eventually manifests - this is why women have a tendency to "dish it out but not take it" when it comes to such things as sarcasm.  Not surprisingly, the cat doesn't like the "dopey" dog to be right.  Some men will play along so as to make things proceed with ease; others (such as yours truly) will remind the cat of all the times it got its tail caught beneath the rocking chair.  Women hate a kick to the ego as much as men hate leaving something unresolved.

It all depends on how much conflict is tolerable/desired in the relationship.  The wife and I feel that none or too little leads to stagnation, so we're content with smashing our thick heads against each other until one of us calms down enough to realize we're simply giving ourselves a headache.  Essentially, we tend to disagree until one of us gets sick of it - in our relationship compromise is merely the process by which BOTH people feel they've "lost".
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on November 17, 2009, 11:51:56 am
And no one can ask for any more that that Sedodes...  ;)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Draxas on November 17, 2009, 02:14:47 pm
Eh, Sedodes' relationship doesn't sound any more or less healthy than most of the other couples I know. Some of the happiest couples I know seemingly spend 90% of the time either snarking or screaming at each other, oddly enough.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on November 17, 2009, 07:40:57 pm
Thats because that about how happy you can get in a marriage.  ;)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on November 18, 2009, 12:16:42 pm
Eh, Sedodes' relationship doesn't sound any more or less healthy than most of the other couples I know. Some of the happiest couples I know seemingly spend 90% of the time either snarking or screaming at each other, oddly enough.

To be honest, that sounds pretty alien to me. Granted, I'm not married so maybe there is some mythical change coming, but I've spent the last 6 or so years with the same woman and I've several friends who have married. While I can't vouch for what goes on in their private lives, none of the people I know have fights in public. As for ourselves, we rarely argue. We can get annoyed with each other, but there's none of the implied superiority complex Sed mentions in it. We can both admit when we've done something silly and no ones ego really gets bruised. Maybe it's a cultural thing?

Edit for content:

Also, I've now been working abroad for three months. It's weird, but fun. I'm going home this weekend to visit and I'm quite looking forward to it. Haven't been back in slightly over the month. It's weird how quickly home stops feeling like home.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Draxas on November 19, 2009, 07:43:27 am
To be honest, that sounds pretty alien to me. Granted, I'm not married so maybe there is some mythical change coming, but I've spent the last 6 or so years with the same woman and I've several friends who have married. While I can't vouch for what goes on in their private lives, none of the people I know have fights in public. As for ourselves, we rarely argue. We can get annoyed with each other, but there's none of the implied superiority complex Sed mentions in it. We can both admit when we've done something silly and no ones ego really gets bruised. Maybe it's a cultural thing?

I didn't say my relationship with my wife was the same way. In all honesty, it's pretty alien to me too, so it's not really a cultural thing I think. Some people just don't feel right without a little bit of tension in their lives, I guess. My wife and I, however, really don't see a point to fighting with or yelling at each other, nor being stubborn about who may or may not be right in any given situation.

And really, not much changes when you get married, at least not until there are kids on the way, anyway.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on November 19, 2009, 09:30:15 pm
Kids are usually one of the main things that adds tension in a relationship. or at least one of the most stressful ones.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on November 20, 2009, 01:09:00 am
Having kids is kind of the whole point to permanent pair-bonding (i.e. marriage). And I don't think that it's so much a stressor on a relationship as it is just a stressor. Something about the crushing responsibility of trying to raise a worthwhile human being...
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Alen on November 20, 2009, 02:04:51 am
Or the problems of actually not making one.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on November 20, 2009, 08:17:30 am
Having kids is kind of the whole point to permanent pair-bonding (i.e. marriage). And I don't think that it's so much a stressor on a relationship as it is just a stressor. Something about the crushing responsibility of trying to raise a worthwhile human being...

It's the biological point of pair bonding. There are plenty of others. Otherwise we wouldn't barren, old or gay people who want to get married. But I do agree, that responsibility is about the biggest most fo us will ever have to take on. And you won't know how you did until a long long time from the start of the project.

Or the problems of actually not making one.

Alen, could you please stop posting one liners about marriage and children1? This is a thread about where you're heading, what you're dreaming of and what you're currently doing. Why don't you share with us?

For myself, I'm back home in Finland. It feels surprisingly good to be home, yet alien at the same time. I've been working on getting a placement abroad for 1.5 years, and only now that I've been abroad for 4 months I'm beginning to understand what it means. It means losing everything familiar, falling out of touch with friends, being forced to adapt to completely new circumstances. It's definitely not as easy as I thought it'd be. It's stressful, tense and depressing at times. But it is so worth it. You learn a lot about yourself this way, as well as about the people you know. And of course you learn (or in my case re-learn) that things are different everywhere.

I mean, I lived a year in Ireland when I was younger. I should know this stuff. But that's a long time ago I guess, and I'm relearning a lot of the lessons I should always have known. The first lesson would probably be to never ever assume that something works the same way as home. It might be worse or better, but it is usually always different.

All in all, I'd recommend for anyone to go abroad. Just don't expect it to be all roses?

1And cut down on the one-liners in general. Flesh out your posts man, don't just leave them hanging like wispy willows in a terrible autumn storm!
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Sedodes on November 21, 2009, 08:22:58 am
You want to know what's most surprising about my post?  For two years my wife and I NEVER FOUGHT.  That's right, never once - in fact, we laughed and joked about the idea that people would fight.  We couldn't dream of not being so in love with each other as to make anything even worth fighting about.  The whole reason there IS conflict is simply because we're both so stubborn, but that's why our marriage is going to last forever - we're too stubborn to end it, no matter how bad things get.  It's a boon and a curse, because I don't think either of us could imagine actually staying married to anyone else.  When we have our good days they're 10 times worth every ounce of fighting we've done.

We don't fight in public, we don't fight in front of the child, and we never get violent or smash-y, and we're not vengeful.  It's not like we're always at each-other's throat, either, but we have an average of 10 days/month where we've fought.  We've simply realized that the things we love about each-other frustrate us at times, and when we need to tell the other person what's bothering us they're (naturally) too stubborn to admit fault.  It sounds rather stupid and dysfunctional, and maybe it is, but that's love between two "alpha" personalities for you I guess.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on November 28, 2009, 11:26:02 am
That sounds even more alien. As I said, we rarely fight or argue. But it's not because of some mythical sense of "being so in love we can't fight". I mean, I love my siblings and parents (though obviously not in exactly in the same way) and I disagree with them as well. I argue more with my brother and sister than with my girlfriend. I guess we just agree on a lot of things. And when we do disagree, we talk about it rather than fight about it.

But i guess peopel are different. Maybe we should argue more, who knows?i've heard people say that it can do a world of good as well.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on January 28, 2010, 10:58:58 pm
So, it seems I get to take another stab at finishing high school. I took a placement test yesterday at the local community college for their high school completion program. Classes start in early April. Not sure exactly how it works, but since I scored pretty well on the test I can take college level classes and get both high school and college credit for them. I don't see a downside.

Also, I turn 21 tomorrow (or in about an hour, depending on how you reckon things). Whoo! I guess this means I could go buy alcohol? I certainly don't plan to, as I like my liver and brain cells far too much for that. But it is tempting to go into a bar and buy a soda or something, now that it's actually legal for me to be on the premises.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on January 29, 2010, 12:51:09 am
  A bit of red wine is good for your heart.  It won't damage your other organs if you imbibe in moderation. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Cedric6014 on January 29, 2010, 04:25:12 am
Whoo! I guess this means I could go buy alcohol? I certainly don't plan to, as I like my liver and brain cells far too much for that.

Mate, the benefits of inebriation far outweigh the costs.  Go order 5 beers!
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Lukipela on January 29, 2010, 06:59:59 am
So, it seems I get to take another stab at finishing high school. I took a placement test yesterday at the local community college for their high school completion program. Classes start in early April. Not sure exactly how it works, but since I scored pretty well on the test I can take college level classes and get both high school and college credit for them. I don't see a downside.

Congrats on that! It's nice to get the paperwork sorted out, because sooner or later you might well end up needing it. Is the business going well otherwise?

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Also, I turn 21 tomorrow (or in about an hour, depending on how you reckon things). Whoo! I guess this means I could go buy alcohol? I certainly don't plan to, as I like my liver and brain cells far too much for that. But it is tempting to go into a bar and buy a soda or something, now that it's actually legal for me to be on the premises.

As has been said, small amounts of alcohol can be beneficial. It can also be relaxing and nice. Some of it even tastes good. Don't deny yourself a test :)
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on January 29, 2010, 10:49:57 am
While I can understand the appeal of alcohol, I also have some religious reasons for avoiding it. And...it's a little hard to explain, but having been chronically ill for years now, I feel a bit like my brain is the only part of me that works the way it ought to. I don't really like the idea of doing something that turns that off, even a little bit, even for a little while. Still, even if that weren't the case my religious convictions would keep me from drinking.

Business stuff is going pretty slowly. I've had at least a couple months were I've broken even on web hosting and banking costs, but I'm not generating anywhere near the number of sales I'd need to make the venture self-supporting. I think I can get it there, though. It may take some time, but I've got a big enough artisitic ego to try and see it through. I'm strongly considering doing a redesign on the front page of my website to make it more engaging and user friendly. I need to make it obvious that I've got a big honkin' portfolio with more than 200 pieces in it for people to look at, and I need to make it easy to browse. Haven't got many ideas for that at the moment.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on January 29, 2010, 11:00:57 am
Can you post a link again, please?  I do some web design; I can probably make some suggestions.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on January 29, 2010, 11:10:28 am
A handy-dandy link (http://www.fractalabstract.com/).

I do know that I want a brief artist bio and description of the artwork on the front page. Then I need to consider what the best ways to A: get people to look at the stuff in the store and consider purchasing something and B: look at the daily postings so they'll come back another day and consider purchasing something.

Also: Oh yeah, daily postings. Knew I was forgetting something this morning.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on January 29, 2010, 05:06:14 pm
  Hmm...  the page is pretty well-composed, actually. 

  The logo's a bit busy-looking; the patterns break up the shapes of the letters. 

  The links could maybe be bigger, and more-obviously buttons or something.  Placing them in the upper right lowers them in the page's hierarchy.  The upper left will get more notice, I think. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on January 29, 2010, 07:19:43 pm
I could switch to the standard link-bar format I've got on the rest of the site. That might make it a bit more obvious?

Changing the logo's easy enough, just swap out that one image file. Something to consider.
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: Eth on January 30, 2010, 12:56:45 am
I could switch to the standard link-bar format I've got on the rest of the site. That might make it a bit more obvious?
I think so. 

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Changing the logo's easy enough, just swap out that one image file. Something to consider.
Yeah, it's like when something is painted with camouflage; it breaks up the shape. 
Title: Re: Where are you heading?
Post by: fossaman on January 30, 2010, 10:23:36 am
Well, my main concern with the logo is that I'm legally obligated to have it on every page, clearly visible. I wanted it to be a little more interesting than just solid color. But I can certainly see your point. I'll have to fiddle around with it a bit.