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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2009, 11:42:53 pm »
He'll be back. Likes Star Control too much to not be

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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #16 on: May 27, 2009, 12:58:58 am »
I wouldn't be too sure about that. Valaggar did delete his accounts several times over, but there was usually a reason for that. He was frustrated, people were picking on him and he simply didn't manage to fit in. I think what happened to him in the beginning was a shame and something that probably played a large part in his eventual derailment. This time was different though. Yetiers/n00b mostly kept to the game threads and rarely ventured outside them. He had a couple of unsuccessful posts at both forums, but there were no people activley demanding that he leave, complaining about him or otherwise making his life miserable.

Despite that, he decided to not only leave, but do so in a pretty flashy way burning both his new accounts. And leaving me with one less player in BEL I might add. Whatever his reasons for imploding this time, I'd guess they simply indicate that whatever love he has for Star Control is no match for whatever RL problems plague him. Maybe he's out there constructing some grand forum game or Star Control sequel as some here beleive. I wouldn't bet on that though.
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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #17 on: May 27, 2009, 06:11:29 am »
I liked Valaggar and thought he might have a bit more luck contributing if he wasn't stuck with the stigma of being "that guy". That's why he was allowed back with a different name, so that he could attempt to start over with a clean slate.

Valaggar hasn't been "that guy" for a long time. A bit kooky, but I don't think anyone wanted him gone when he left recently.

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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #18 on: May 27, 2009, 10:06:29 am »
Well, his latest self destruct shows that it wasn't a question of how he was treated, at least this time, but something else.

-1 to both Shiver and Cedric for immediately bringing down the new guy comes around and tries to be helpful.
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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #19 on: May 27, 2009, 03:03:39 pm »
-1 to Shiver for kicking the new guy
+1 to Holinyx for making an effort to contribute
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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2009, 03:42:47 pm »
This is a good idea, but it seems premature to start bombing everyone's karma right after starting a topic on transparency. I will join you after this thread's premise seems worn out.
Well, what are we waiting for? Time to get this thread locked already! ;D

Were you two up-voting each other repeatedly?
Although I have known about and corresponded with Val's latest incarnation, no.

I know of no one else that has such an irrationally high opinion of Valaggar.
Not irrational at all. His ultronomicon work is a massive lasting contribution beyond what most of us could ever hope to make, even without considering his forum participation. He may have made mistakes, but in a way, I think he might be too good for us.

I think you're just retaliating.
I was going to point out a previous post in which I mentioned judgement as an aspect of karma that I don't like, but I don't particularly mind if people think I'm just retaliating, that demonstrates another problem with karma.

I wouldn't be too sure about that.
Sadly, I agree that this looks a bit different.
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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2009, 05:19:27 pm »
-1 Holinyx -- New member makes silly contribution, is given a pile of karma. Counterbalancing this.
+1 Cedric -- Because Lukipela is full of it.


Well, what are we waiting for? Time to get this thread locked already! ;D

I would like to let this go on for a bit longer just to see what other people do.
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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2009, 05:35:27 pm »
-1 to both Shiver and Cedric for immediately bringing down the new guy comes around and tries to be helpful.

What the!!!! Do kindly point out how I brought down the new guy, for I fail to see where i did this.

Excuse me if I take this a little personally but if you're going to public admonish me for a comment that you can only tentatively interpret as negative, then I need to back myself up here.









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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2009, 05:45:34 pm »
nOOb is gone again?  When did that happen?

I have a better idea. You don't like the system, right? We can effectively dismantle it without the mods' help. Just annigilate anyone with positive karma, and warship anyone with negative karma. I figure there are enough anti-karma fellas (and enough apathetic mods) about to bring everyone's karma to zero within days. Problem solved! I'm game if anyone else is! Begin the karma war! :D
 This is a pretty good strategy.  I'm conflicted.  I want to reward you with karma, but that would take you farther from your stated goal of zero.  Oh well.
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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2009, 12:52:28 am »
What the!!!! Do kindly point out how I brought down the new guy, for I fail to see where i did this.

As I stated in PM's already, I don't think your post in itself is wrong or problematic. I originally didn't even pay attention to it. But in combination with Shivers post in the other thread, I think you guys give a negative first impression. I'd like to give a nice, or at least neutral, first impression so that people who start off by trying to contribute something (even if it doesn't help most of us) aren't put off and go somewhere else instead. To make this clear, this is my personal opinion. I'm not handing out warnings or waving a moderator stick around.


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Excuse me if I take this a little personally but if you're going to public admonish me for a comment that you can only tentatively interpret as negative, then I need to back myself up here.

No need for excuses. You have every right to disagree with me and bring your own opinion forth. I don't really put much stock in the karma system, so I didn't expect you to take it very seriously. View it as something on level with Shiver giving Megagun negative karma. Perhaps it would have been better to just annigilate Shiver. Still, you're free to do the same. Something along the lines of "-1 karma to Lukipela for being a pompous ass" might not be totally amiss.

As an aside, the next time I can give Shiver karma he's getting some. In part because his resposne in both threads and PM's has been very reasonable (kudos for that) and in part because his karma is now a bit low for a member who actively contributes.

Anyways, back to learnng about how to not blow things up.

EDIT: Also, I appear to have screwed up a bit. For some reason I've confused Cedric and Draxas over in the Bio thread. I thought Cedric continued arguing about why the list is useless, which was in part why I deducted karma. Seeing as he actually didn't, half of my reason for deducting it vanishes. I apologize for that Cedric. I guess you can add illiterate to pompous eh?
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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2009, 04:02:32 am »
Anyways, back to learnihng about how to not blow things up.
Seriously, what place does a statement like this have on a star control forum? >:(

EDIT: +1 Eth for being Eth :-*
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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2009, 06:22:39 am »
nOOb is gone again?  When did that happen?

He was posting over on UQM as Yetiers (as he told us in ABKS OOC) and self destructed over there. Something about hospitals and ADD I think. Left me one player short in BEL, and in ABKS. That reminds me, even though it's only tangentially connected

-1 karma to n00b for abandoning BEL/ABKS
+1 karma to Draxas for picking up the torch.

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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2009, 10:54:08 am »
What the!!!! Do kindly point out how I brought down the new guy, for I fail to see where i did this.

As I stated in PM's already, I don't think your post in itself is wrong or problematic. I originally didn't even pay attention to it. But in combination with Shivers post in the other thread, I think you guys give a negative first impression. I'd like to give a nice, or at least neutral, first impression so that people who start off by trying to contribute something (even if it doesn't help most of us) aren't put off and go somewhere else instead. To make this clear, this is my personal opinion. I'm not handing out warnings or waving a moderator stick around.


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Excuse me if I take this a little personally but if you're going to public admonish me for a comment that you can only tentatively interpret as negative, then I need to back myself up here.

No need for excuses. You have every right to disagree with me and bring your own opinion forth. I don't really put much stock in the karma system, so I didn't expect you to take it very seriously. View it as something on level with Shiver giving Megagun negative karma. Perhaps it would have been better to just annigilate Shiver. Still, you're free to do the same. Something along the lines of "-1 karma to Lukipela for being a pompous ass" might not be totally amiss.

As an aside, the next time I can give Shiver karma he's getting some. In part because his resposne in both threads and PM's has been very reasonable (kudos for that) and in part because his karma is now a bit low for a member who actively contributes.

Anyways, back to learnng about how to not blow things up.

EDIT: Also, I appear to have screwed up a bit. For some reason I've confused Cedric and Draxas over in the Bio thread. I thought Cedric continued arguing about why the list is useless, which was in part why I deducted karma. Seeing as he actually didn't, half of my reason for deducting it vanishes. I apologize for that Cedric. I guess you can add illiterate to pompous eh?

-1 to Luki for being too serious and long-winded. 

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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2009, 10:57:26 am »
-1 to Luki for being too serious and long-winded. 

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Re: Transparency of Karma
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2009, 03:25:31 pm »
-1 to Luki for using a smiley-only reply.

If Sedodes where still here... that wouldn't have gone by unpunished anyway, so consider this a light tap on the fingers :)
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