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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2009, 04:11:56 pm »
Still no recession here, perhaps we are recession proof *refrains from inserting tongue*

Recession is a question of plus or minus; what's real is that people are losing their jobs here regardless. I think our non-farm economy may have already been in recession for some time.
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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2009, 02:22:03 am »
So it turns out I might be recession proof after all. The needle has swung away from "jobless" and is now pointing steadily at "employed abroad". I guess if you smile at life it really does smile back.
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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2009, 04:57:15 pm »
So it turns out I might be recession proof after all. The needle has swung away from "jobless" and is now pointing steadily at "employed abroad". I guess if you smile at life it really does smile back.

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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2009, 06:12:54 am »
Luck Worship: The worst religion of all.

Well, the smile at life thing is more of a life philospohy, although luck did play some part in this. So did hard work and sweat though, I wouldn't have dodged this just by smiling.
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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2009, 08:28:19 am »
State-funded schooling and my parents being in specialised jobs means that my family looks safe enough, and I hope to see the economic crisis safely through by spending more than ever. Yay money!

Seconded  :P

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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2009, 01:33:27 am »
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So it turns out I might be recession proof after all. The needle has swung away from "jobless" and is now pointing steadily at "employed abroad". I guess if you smile at life it really does smile back.

Hooray! Where will you be located?

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Shiver bah-humbugs:
Luck Worship: The worst religion of all.

I dunno, seems like there's plenty worse. Actually, initially I read that as "Lukipela Worship: The worst religion of all." - in which case you might have a point.

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Seconded

And you can feel smugly virtuous while you spend your parents' money too - all that purchasing helps the economy.

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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #36 on: August 10, 2009, 09:13:01 pm »
So long as the recession/bankrupcies/job losses continue, I get to make money. Yay, recession! Until that damned economy starts growing again...

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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #37 on: August 12, 2009, 09:44:20 am »
  What, are you in charge of the dole queue or something?

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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #38 on: August 13, 2009, 12:19:39 am »
Maybe he's a receiver / liquidator. I wonder, is it difficult to enjoy such a job?

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started my own business in late 2008.
Good time to become a liquidator.

Oh, and still no recession here. In fact, I think I heard we may end up as the only OECD member to avoid it :D
« Last Edit: August 13, 2009, 12:31:46 am by Zeracles »
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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #39 on: August 13, 2009, 10:00:20 am »
I deal with software that helps businesses restructure. Restructure means fire-fire-fire-to-stay-afloat in corprorate-speak. Given the economic conditions, there's a lot of restructuring going on.

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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #40 on: August 13, 2009, 09:18:04 pm »
That truly is the best business in an economic crisis.
And that's all I got to say about that.

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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2009, 12:34:40 pm »
Hooray! Where will you be located?

check the "Where are you heading" thread

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I dunno, seems like there's plenty worse. Actually, initially I read that as "Lukipela Worship: The best religion of all." - in which case you might have a point.

Fixed that for you.

I deal with software that helps businesses restructure. Restructure means fire-fire-fire-to-stay-afloat in corprorate-speak. Given the economic conditions, there's a lot of restructuring going on.

Sounds like you made a deal with the devil. don't be too surprised when he bites you.
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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2009, 11:41:45 pm »
A-and my business has officially failed. In everything I had going for me, I forgot to account for one thing.

The length of the sales cycle.

That is all.

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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #43 on: December 25, 2009, 01:29:17 am »
This is how it works.
China and arab countries lend money to US to satisfy the apetite for money and consumption in a debt based economy.
This money is used to lend money to Americans for consumption, creating inflationary pressures.
But inflation is exported to poorer countries, where the poor suffer higher prices.
It is achieved via monetary policy of Federal Reserve that keeps dollar too high artificially.
But inflation also makes poor cheaper, sending US jobs overseas.

So you wonder where jobs are.
They are in poor countries.

Countries that were less affected by recession were those with nationalized banks, small and unimportant stock markets and those countries that have kept their workers cheaper.

US debt based economy should have had a dollar plunging long ago to rebalance US economy.
The proper level for plunging should make a chinese worker and an American worker to make about the same amount of money, which means loss of 14/15 of American's buying power.  Not having dollar falling, makes jobs to go overseas.
Dollar fall also should mean devaluation of US debt and also reduction of trade deficit.
It also means that US should absorb the inflation it produces, and since Federal Reserve system and banking system is designed to be inflationary, what happens is that banks make profit, and Americans will lose buying power.

There are more technical and detailed explanations about why it happens.
But the simple lessons here are:
-By having debt no one becomes rich.
-Financial managers know that debt is used only for investments, not for consumption.  People do not know that.
-US must act against its beliefs, because those beliefs caused the problem.
-There is a trade off between having geopolitical power and having jobs.
-Microeconomical vision caused the problem in the macroeconomical level.  US citizen must learn macroeconomics.
-Poverty elsewhere means loss of jobs.

The apparent lack of money in a world awashed by money is caused because money supply is controlled by banks and banks are not lending until they cover their toxic assets.  After banks are recovered, there is a risk of hyperinflation.  Federal Reserve stopped informing the public about M3 indicator that was on the raise in 2006.  The unbalance between production and amount of money suggests a horrible risk of hyperinflation in the horizont.

France funded wars, including US war of independence, that caused debt and deficit, that caused hyperinflation, and it triggered the French revolution.
Russia funded wars, that caused debt and deficit, that caused hyperinflation, and it triggered the soviet revolution.
Argentina funded Falkland's war, that caused debt and deficit, that caused hyperinflation of 1200%, and it triggered the riots and starvation of 1989.
Same happened with Chinese revolution.
Hyperinflation in 1923 after WWI also caused the Nazi revolution to raise in Germany.

The apparent recovery is nowadays fueled by government spending, but without fall of dollar and lack of transparency of Federal Reserve, it is just a bubble.  This crisis has 2 aspects.  One is the herd behavior of people and another is a systemic failure of the system.  By telling people there is recovery, they get to prevent herd behavior, but the bubble problem is not solved.

You may like to see this.  "Money is Debt"
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2550156453790090544#

Or if you do not believe that, try this BBC documentary called "The ascent of money" by a Harvard University professor.
Episode 1: Dreams Of Avarice (A Financial History Of The World)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIe3-5GyopE&feature=PlayList&p=FEC454E538F8CE64&index=0
Episode 2: Human Bondage (A Financial History Of The World)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvyRQlXoMA0&feature=PlayList&p=FEC454E538F8CE64&index=5
Episode 3: Blowing Bubbles (A Financial History Of The World)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KIFSyEyv4g&feature=PlayList&p=FEC454E538F8CE64&index=10
Episode 5: Safe As Houses (A Financial History Of The World)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajNffYAhILs&feature=PlayList&p=FEC454E538F8CE64&index=20
Episode 6: Chimerica (A Financial History Of The World)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usgHmRfYYQ8&feature=PlayList&p=FEC454E538F8CE64&index=25
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Re: So who here is recession proof?
« Reply #44 on: December 26, 2009, 12:50:34 am »
A-and my business has officially failed. In everything I had going for me, I forgot to account for one thing.

The length of the sales cycle.

That is all.

I did warn you about dealing with the Devil. I suppose I ought to point and laugh now, but in the spirit of Christmas I'll instead tell you that I'm sorry to hear that. I hope it hasn't dented your economy or self-esteem too much and wish you good luck in future endeavours. Preferably the kind where you don't make money off of other peoples misery, but whatever floats your boat.
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