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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2008, 09:19:53 am »
Wall of Knives/Blades/Whatever it is? That would fit in with your "Thousand slivers" theme.
Not really.  It's a blue/black deck combo deck.  There are a few machines built into it, but the eponymous one combines Sliver Queen, Heartstone, and Ashnod's Altar to literally create 10,000 sliver creatures, which then attack the opponent the following turn.  Usually I get killed before I pull it off, but perhaps now that I've added a couple of walls and a Will-O'-The-Wisp perhaps I can stay alive a bit longer. 

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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2008, 12:57:14 pm »
Well, I've set up a 46-card blue/green generic deck, with Memnarch, Primeval Force, Thorn Elemental, Flight, Wing Snare, a lot of elves, Traveller's Cloak (which I can't seem to find in the card database, but gives one creature any landwalk you like), Whispersilk Cloak, Vulshok Morningstar, Phantom Warrior and Arcbound Slith amongst them. Not exactly awe-inspiring, but reasonably effective, especially as Phantom Warrior effectively places a 10-turn limit on the duel.
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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2008, 07:00:56 pm »
I haven't played in a long time myself. I started playing right before the Tempest block (Weatherlight I think) and lost interest in it sometime during the Urza block. In that time I had played a few different deck styles, but the one I spent the most resources putting together was a Sliver deck of my own. It was a rainbow deck, since at the time there weren't nearly as many Slivers as there are available now, though a little shy on the black side. I utilized that same Sliver combo Eth mentioned above, with the help of a Soldevi Digger and Mnemonic Sliver it was possible for me to pull my entire library and graveyard into my hand at will. From there I could play everything in my power in the same turn. The net result is that I win immediately upon achieving that combo. It's just too bad it's so difficult to get out consistently. Having 3 Sliver Queens helps though. :D

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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2008, 11:18:22 pm »
Whoosh!  Sage!  Your sliver deck sounds much nastier than mine does!

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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2008, 05:31:59 pm »
Sage, where might you live? Would you be inclined to part with one of your Queens?
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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #20 on: June 07, 2008, 08:45:36 am »
I never understood the draw of sliver decks.  I always gave away/sold any slivers I ended up with (have come across about 5 or 6 Queens).  I've had a dozen or so different decks that always seem to be able to crush sliver decks since they tend to take too long to develop.

But then, who knows?  Maybe my theories of tossing out a bunch of cheap cards fast will someday fail me.  As it is, life decks give me the most trouble but I can keep the damage up and put out creatures fast enough to where they can't really play anything but heals -- then it's only a matter of time.
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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #21 on: June 07, 2008, 12:50:30 pm »
  I think that the idea of sliver decks is that they're fun and cool, not that they're necessarily particularly powerful.

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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #22 on: June 07, 2008, 06:14:46 pm »
  I agree, Sedodes, that your overall strategy is pretty strong.  My most powerful deck is a green/red deck with lots of 1 and 2 drop creatures, coupled with burn cards; essentially similar to your black deck (only I blast things out of my way instead of flying over them).  Neither deck would probably win much against the sort of high-speed combo decks that are seen at Vintage tournaments, but of course we didn't have to spend thousands of dollars on cards, either, so I think that we are the Real Winners here.   ;D

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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2008, 10:57:54 am »
It has the potential for great power, but its primary weakness was mana, which inhibited the speed I could make it develop. Unfortunately I wasn't hardcore (read: rich) and/or lucky enough to get some of the more rare cards that would help with that problem. Also, from the same block that introduced Slivers, came the card that I think was created specifically to fight decks like mine: Extinction. It's a damn good thing I keep an assortment of Power Sinks on hand for exactly such situations.

I dunno if I'd want to part with any of my Queens just yet. But maybe you can convince me. I don't really play any more and this deck is all I have left of my old Magic cards. Call it sentimental. :D

I think the draw of the Sliver deck to me is that, unlike every other creature type out there, Slivers build upon one another so that they are all uniformly creatures of ultimate doom. But then it's main failing is decks which would try to do away with or bypass creatures entirely.

A few years ago there was a program I played with some friends of mine that, while it didn't have full scans of all cards, let you play Magic across the interweb without having to buy the (lackluster) PC version of the game. It was called Apprentice. In fact I think the best description I have is that it really only acts as a virtual table for you to play a game on. Ultimately it is up to each player to play the cards according to the rules (much as it is in real games).

It's been a while but I recall using Apprentice to "tweak" my deck with cards I don't actually have and build something more closely resembling the Ultimate Incarnation of my Sliver Deck. I may have to try for that now that I have this again. It seems to be current as of 10th Edition at the time.

EDIT: So anyone want to try a game across Apprentice? :D
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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2008, 11:37:43 am »
I have been playing via MWS aka Magic Workstation, online with a few friends of mine. Getting Apprentice would not be completely out of the question at all.
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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2008, 11:52:18 am »
Well, if you want, my computer is on instant messenger constantly, so you can probably bug me like that and have a good chance at getting a response out of me.

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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2008, 12:40:28 pm »
  Man, that sounds familiar; I think that I have Apprentice on my machine somewhere.  So you can communicate via the net with it, then?  Perhaps I'll get my copy up-to-date soon, as I seem to being going through one of my once-every-three-years Magic phases. 

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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2008, 01:06:54 pm »
Yeah it gives you a chat channel to talk in once a connection is started up. So you can still talk smack at each other in-game. :D

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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2008, 01:29:29 pm »
I'll be fetching Apprentice. Is everyone ok with one fundamental rule: No Power Nine Allowed?

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As a reminder, the infamous "Power 9" consists of Black Lotus, the 5 Moxes, Ancestral Recall, Time Walk and Timetwister.
All horribly game-breaking.
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Re: Mmmm... now THAT'S some Magic!
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2008, 03:19:08 pm »
  The Power Nine aren't really even the nine most powerful cards in the game, really.  I would argue that Yawgmoth's Will beats any of them. 

  I was thinking that we could have a gentleman's agreement to simply use the cards we actually own.  (Full disclosure: I don't own any Power, though I do own several cards that could be considered to be "broken.")

  It might also be fun to play Vintage format (using the Vintage banned and restricted lists) with unlimited card-pools, sometimes.  I haven't used a Black Lotus since Legends came out!