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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #30 on: March 03, 2008, 06:52:01 pm »
I'm lazy and busy trying to keep my bills and things from falling to much past due. Not to mention I'm still really trying to figure out a way to place all the content in the pages using a database, ie SQL. Which I've had no experience with what so ever.

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #31 on: March 03, 2008, 08:35:13 pm »
  Why do you need to use a database?

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #32 on: March 03, 2008, 09:40:54 pm »
Mine and Chad's goal was to integrate all the page content into a database, so that we could have the pages pretty much automatically generated.

We would like to be able to modify the page content through an easy to use web based interface kinda like a blogger interface.This would in turn allow the page to be updated easier and more regularly. It also lead to perhaps having a setup for people to upload their own content and have us authorize it and added to the page with minimal effort.

Second it would also allow the content to be pulled dynamically from the database perhaps leading to dynamically customized pages based on the user.

Third it would also allow the page design layout etc.. to be changed totally independent of content, mind you this can be done with CSS to a certain extent, though the page content layout would end up being the same.

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #33 on: March 04, 2008, 01:27:08 am »
Dude, that all sounds AWESOME!  Good luck, pal!   ;D

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2008, 05:36:03 pm »
Indeed, it just to bad i have no database experience so I'm starting from square -1.

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2008, 06:42:07 pm »
I've noodled around with PostGre SQL... wrote a guestbook and gallery in it once. I also took classes in mySQL (And ASP, PHP, Perl, etc). In the end I dumped all SQL stuff from my site, because it proved to be easier to use plain html and notepad for updating. Putting the stuff into Databases is not always easy, and you can feel stuck with a certain data layout and it's tricky to make exceptions for content. You have to think a lot before you can get to work. you have to write secure admin systems. You might fumble and destroy data. Someone else might fumble and destroy the data. Malicious attacks. Must be on a SQL supporting server which makes the site harder to migrate. Imo, SQL is only worth it if you're dealing with large bulks which all look alike more or less (and change a lot).

SQL is not the only choice for databases. You can use XML and XSL in conjunction with PHP I guess. I made some experiments with just XML and XSL, but didn't like. I wish the I could somehow use clientside url vars with HTML, then link to an XSL file for pulling data, and an XML file for the database.
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Plain html with div id/class tags almost is like a database if it's written clean enough. Writing a parser for it might not be hard.

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2008, 08:05:10 pm »
Classes.. no wonder your such a wiz at it, I've never taken classes for anything really. I'm looking into Electronic Engineering though, which i would be taking classes for, to get the lovely degree/certification after...

All very good points i guess clever use of id/classes would work, quicker for sure.

I was actually thinking last night I might work on "PNF MKII" - with css and classes and such
and on the side "PNF MKIII" which would be database driven.

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2008, 08:23:43 pm »
Well to use your php file Arne, im going to need the source files, unless im mistaken. But the end result on what i see is certainly diffrent than the code of the php document. Unless of course I just use the CSS version, which I have the files for already. I'd prefer to do that. As I don't know much about php. Yipee for me I don't know any advanced web programming...

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #38 on: March 05, 2008, 08:50:00 am »
I'm actually mostly self taught and hardly a professional coder. This is another reason why I try to keep things basic and easy to understand...

Yeah, you won't see the PHP code in the clienteside source. I'll clean it up and upload a zip. I'm guessing we could have the site up within a week if some people are willing to make the basic content pages. If it doesn't work it's not a big deal.

Yeah, it could be neat to tinker on a more dynamic site with little flagship shiva furnace optimizer applets, flash starmaps, fan uploads and stuff.




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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2008, 08:12:44 am »
Well, that certainly sounds impressive. However, perhaps it might be wise to just do a quick overhaul first before you continue with the more demanding project? You know, polish it up a bit, bring it up to today's standard. Then you can take all the time in the world to finish the new site without feeling any undue pressure.
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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #40 on: April 22, 2008, 05:01:04 pm »
I'm actually mostly self taught and hardly a professional coder. This is another reason why I try to keep things basic and easy to understand...

Yeah, you won't see the PHP code in the clienteside source. I'll clean it up and upload a zip. I'm guessing we could have the site up within a week if some people are willing to make the basic content pages. If it doesn't work it's not a big deal.

Yeah, it could be neat to tinker on a more dynamic site with little flagship shiva furnace optimizer applets, flash starmaps, fan uploads and stuff.


Is Arne still around?  Me and my brother are seriously thinking about a PHP web site project and of course PNF is at the top of our list.  I don't think either one of us is good at page layout and we stink at art and graphics.  The artwork blows me away and the stuff you've done so far looks amazing.  We need to talk  ;)
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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2008, 05:24:37 pm »
Shock-horror!  Chad?!?  Involved in the site?!?  The End is nigh! 

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2008, 05:45:32 pm »
Shock-horror!  Chad?!?  Involved in the site?!?  The End is nigh! 

Be shocked and amazed.  ;)  I just fixed the forums Search box, I think.  It works for me now.
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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2008, 09:19:34 pm »
Ahhhhh!  Wonderful!  The...  the...  searchiness of it all!

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Re: Development of the New PNF Logo
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2008, 08:33:19 am »
If you can't find Arne here, either check his profile on UQM where he is more active, or go snooping around his website, http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/ I'm sure there's an email address there somewhere.
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