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 Post subject: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:24 pm 
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I've got the game running and so far it's looking pretty sweet. I'm hoping that I don't have to re-design all the fonts for my UQM-HD project. Fonts are a big issue for me. I'm asking for help on this one since I have my hands rather full. There's 10,000 graphic files that need enhancements, and I'm also working on 6014 stuff.

Each existing graphic can be resized, but look horrible. The alternative is to go pixel by pixel adding detail to each of the fonts, or finding a similar truetype equivalent. Vile Rancour said work was done on this for the Timewarp project. You can see the fonts below. I'm asking for help with the fonts. I have no idea what the name of these fonts are. If we can't find a similar true-type equivalent, then I need help redesigning the fonts. It doesn't require a super artist to add detail to the fonts. It could probably be done in Windows paint. But it does require time which I'm in very limited supply of, fonts get put towards the back of the line as I try to do the hard stuff first.

Has anybody come across a similar font for any of these? Can anybody help me find something close? Does anybody know the names of the fonts in the graphic? What about the Ur-Quan Masters logo? The intro fonts? My priorities are the intro fonts and the fonts encountered at Sol (Ur-Quan, Ilwrath, Fwiffo, and Hayes)

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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:30 pm 
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I'm not sure that the fonts SC2 used were even designed by the original creators? They seem like generic pixel fonts from some font pack. Perhaps we should ask the creators about this?


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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 6:34 pm 
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I have time to help if you need it.

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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 12:39 am 
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Angelfish. If they bought a font pack then I might not be able to use it freely. If it was pixel fonts, then I still have the same issue: Trying to take the fonts and increasing the size.

Dyandod. I'd love the help! Rather than going pixel by pixel adding detail for each font, I'd say pick an alien race like and find a similar font. We can work everything else from there. There's a ton of font sites to choose from.

http://www.dafont.com/
http://www.1001freefonts.com/
http://www.urbanfonts.com/

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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 2:54 am 
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I may be wrong, but the Thraddash font looks like "Stencil"
http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/bitstream/stencil/

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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 6:14 am 
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I think you're right. I decided to look at some of the fonts in the actual game, than this. And I found that a lot of the fonts are different than the ones Timewarp was going to use. They're actually a bit more generic looking.

The Thraddash looks like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b28S9XZOPq8 Rather generic.

For reference. (lol. spoiler alert if you somehow are on this board and haven't beaten the game):

Spathi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEZ75L36m74
Slylandro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aaxdzK2C5k
Orz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIbVYXHnaBU&t=19s
Mycon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFbmcbyQgxc Again, doesn't look anything alike. But I like the look.
Melnorme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-hr9Mx5PtE
Yehat: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAs7Ob_i_I0 I rather like that timewarp font.
Umgah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK_Ue5bVLd4 A pretty close match.
Shofixti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_e-U6kH1ks I find it funny that I "remembered" the font being a japanese style. Maybe its the voice.
Druuge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTvpVbtJgzY
Syreen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtbtwkHUgDM
Ilwrath: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSi1TURbJIA&t=7s Man. That's a pretty close match. I can't find this anywhere.
CHMMR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u1Ss0h4GbM&t=10 This looks just like a high-res version of the CHMMR font.

So, I'm going to guess that the type of fonts aren't terribly important as long as it fits the theme of the game, and the alien. I'm definitely open to suggestions. Also, I need to Write out the font in white, then save it as a PNG graphic (with possibly no whitespace). Does anybody have any idea how to automate that a little? Otherwise It's going to be 2,600 font graphics I'll need to create. At an average of 10 seconds a piece, that's 8 hours worth of work (if I work like a machine).

I tried looking myself and I can't find that Ilwrath font or CHMMR font anywhere. I did figure out the Ilwrath is two seperate fonts. The uppercase I can't place, but the lowercase letters is Final Frontier. But, it's the Uppercase letters I like :-\-smf

Attached is the closest I could find to the Ur-Quan masters title font. If somebody finds something closer (or better), let me know.


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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:16 am 
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dczanik wrote:
Angelfish. If they bought a font pack then I might not be able to use it freely. If it was pixel fonts, then I still have the same issue: Trying to take the fonts and increasing the size.


But if you find the names of these fonts the search will be all that much easier.
And about not being able to use it freely; not everything in life is free. But if you ever need financial compensation, within acceptable limits, just ask.


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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:57 am 
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I'm still confident something close to the Chmmr can be found, I'll have a go at it when I get the occasion. Chenjesu/Mmrnmhrm looks just like Chmmr in lower case.

About automation : in which form will the fonts be provided ? I assume ttf, but maybe some will be otf ; it would be easier if every input is in the same format. I'll look up if Gimp can do something for you.

Even if the original fonts were not created specially for the game, I guess the Ilwrath had to be tuned a bit to add the spider webs. But if it's the only font you need to recreate and only in caps, that already cuts the work to 1/30.


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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 8:18 am 
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Quinarbre wrote:
I'm still confident something close to the Chmmr can be found, I'll have a go at it when I get the occasion. Chenjesu/Mmrnmhrm looks just like Chmmr in lower case.

About automation : in which form will the fonts be provided ? I assume ttf, but maybe some will be otf ; it would be easier if every input is in the same format. I'll look up if Gimp can do something for you.

Even if the original fonts were not created specially for the game, I guess the Ilwrath had to be tuned a bit to add the spider webs. But if it's the only font you need to recreate and only in caps, that already cuts the work to 1/30.


I think all the fonts I have are ttf. Photoshop has some automation stuff. But I've never done anything like scripting in it. So different letters for each graphic I don't really know how to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Help! Star Control 2 Fonts
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 9:46 am 
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The thread Useful Remaking Resources over at Retro Remakes contains a section on bitmap fonts and font creators/editors. I'm not sure how useful they'll be because my firewall has decided it's adult and sexually explicit and won't let me actually see anything.


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