You haven't yet seen what the Kzer-Za do with slaves that want to become battle thralls but are deemed too weak to be useful, but you will eventually. As for slaves left behind in other regions of the galaxy, my personal theory is that once an entire sector is enslaved, the battle thralls come to a sudden revelation that their relative freedom was only temporary as they are forced to relocate to their newly slave shielded homeworld or be eliminated. After all, if the Ur-Quan can take them on once to subjugate them, they can easily do it again when the time comes, but once they leave the local area they will not want any other sentients left behind to think they might no longer be slaves anymore. This way, there are no loose ends or potential problems left behind in their wake, only fallow slaves neatly trapped on a single world.The Troglodyte wrote:Either that or until recently, none of the alien species they've encountered prior were deemed powerful enough to be included as thralls. I noticed the Ur-Quan didn't bring any thralls with them before conquering the Umgah. Another theory is that we live in our galaxy's equivalent of the "cradle of civlization" and they hadn't discovered very much in terms of sentient life until recently.
There is some evidence in game that the Ur-Quan really haven't considered the idea of life without the doctrinal conflict. At least one sub-species, and probably both (I can't remember off hand), expect that once the current doctrinal war is over and a victor has emerged, the winner will deal with the sentients in this sector as they see fit, and then both will continue on in opposite directions to fulfill their doctrines once more. Realistically speaking, it's less of a way of deciding who is right, and more of an extremely violent ceremony to determine who gets the trophy before they part ways to do their own thing again. With the quantity and speed that sentient races crop up, it's not like either side will have any trouble finding more to subjugate or exterminate, regardless of how thorough their counterparts were or whether they are going over the same regions again.Thanks for the clarification. You're right, both Ur-Quans aren't probably focused on the actual completion, but rather the task at hand. In a manner of speaking, they go about their business the same way a doctor or police officer does -- neither profession ever expects to eliminate disease or crime, so it's likely the same mentality for the Ur-Quan.
Again, this is less a war and more a spaceborne, extremely violent Superbowl to the Ur-Quan. The only thing that would seem to be accomplished is determining which side takes possession of the Sa-Matra until next "season." The Kzer-Za using their thralls against the Kohr-Ah goes against the spirit of this ceremony, which is supposed to determine which subspecies is superior, despite the fact that they are comparing doctrines by proxy.I agree that the green are probably more intelligent, but by how much? The black have to do everything themselves while the Kzer-Za have slaves. Hmmm, does this mean the Kohr-Ah have achieved greater cooperation than their counterparts and have learned to work together as a group? Their ships have a large crew, but they have no thralls, so are they filled only with Kohr-Ah then? That would seem... significant.
It also makes me wonder why the Ur-Quan don't use their thralls against the Kohr-Ah. I'm sure it's their code of honor or something, but if they really feel their doctrine is the correct one, then what better example is there than saying, "See there? When you enslave the aliens, you can have them fight your battles for you, so our way is better."
As for which one is smarter, it is a matter of perspective. The Kohr-Ah were modified to be workers, builders, and soldiers. As such, they are much better at cooperating in close proximity, but their ideas and the execution of those ideas tend to be simpler and more straightforward. The Kzer-Za were instead modified to be scientists and thinkers, which means that they have more in the way of book smarts, but it also introduces a lot of complexity to the things they try to do, to the point where many things have become rituals to them, or at least very rigid procedures that are not to be deviated from. This is perfectly illustrated by how each subspecies responds to The Words. The Kzer-Za respond with a lengthy, clearly previously prepared speech that requires the speaker to simply listen to their tale (and then die), whereas the Kohr-Ah allow the speaker to ask as many questions as they like that they will then explain from their perspective (followed by the part where the speaker then dies, because both subspecies agree on that point at least).
Ilwrath juveniles that are friendly get cannibalized by their siblings very quickly, which is at least partially why only the meanest and evilest specimens reach adulthood. That, and ritual torture and self mutilation are a societal norm for the Ilwrath, so not confirming is a great way to end up ritually tortured.An Ilwrath youth that's too friendly is taken in for psychiatric evaluations and coaxed to torture something like a good boy. Mycon that think Juffo-Wup is overrated are put in refrigerators. 7 of 9 was a high-value target of the Borg. Perhaps brave Spathi are shunned... I don't know.
The Mycon are something of a special case. They pretty clearly have genetic memories, and can seemingly communicate with or be possessed by any of their ancestors at any time, so any one self tends to be submerged within the collective. Having an opinion so wildly different from the norm would be grounds for not only possession, but also for that genetic line to be culled. That aside, there is no small amount of evidence supporting the idea that the Mycon are artificial life forms that have their ancestral memories implanted when they are spawned, or perhaps they all simply share the same original ancestor, and thus the same core worldview, that would prevent drastic deviations in thought.
As for brave Spathi, this is sort of the whole joke behind the Black Spathi Squadron. That said, a brave Spathi would likely die young, as its parents would be terrified of it.
All that said, it's good that you have finally encountered and conversed with the Ur-Quan. It makes discussions like these possible, versus being entirely blacked out in spoiler tags.