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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by PRH » Sun Mar 17, 2019 1:48 am

Death 999 wrote:
Sat Mar 16, 2019 10:18 pm
I thought they explain that when you sell one.
They don't. Only the Role Playing Resource Guide explains what the Druuge do with the egg cases - they build inescapable harnesses for their slaves.

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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by Alvarin » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:56 am

According to the dialogue transcript posted here - http://www.sa-matra.net/quotes/druuge/ they, indeed, do not.
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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by Death 999 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:07 pm

Thanks - guess I was wrong.

PRH, I'd say that your comment is non-spoilery. I mean, it doesn't get revealed any other way in-game, there's nothing really to spoil, and it's good to know without actually helping you in any way.

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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by krulle » Mon Mar 18, 2019 7:53 am

To continue with Death 999's and PRH's comments:

(Warning: the ressource guide contains otherwise a lot of spoilers)
ressource guide, page 39/40 wrote: Section: PUZZLES AND MYSTERIES EXPLAINED

Sub-section: Druuge: How to Trade in Good Conscience


[...]
The Druuge desire Deep Child Egg Case Fragments from which they
extract incredibly tough, fungal fibers to build inescapable harnesses for
their slaves. For each set of fragments, the Druuge will give you one of
their Mauler starships. There are three sets of fragments in the game,
but the Druuge will buy only two.

[...]
Which somehow contradicts my memories. I always thought they'd use the very heat resistant egg cases to clad their furnaces, as a kind of heat-shield.
Apparently this is not the case.


edit: added a spoiler into the quote.
I think Trog already assumes that bit, but knowledge is different than assuming...
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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by Quasispatial » Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 am

Alvarin wrote:
Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:56 am
According to the dialogue transcript posted here - http://www.sa-matra.net/quotes/druuge/ they, indeed, do not.
Pfffft spoiler tags don't protect against links. All the spoiler tag does is set the background to black... and I hate to tell ya, but links aren't black.

This here spoiler tag, however, uses normal text, where the black text blends in with the black background to produce a properly spoilered result. Also, as a bonus feature, we can say whatever we want in these things and Trog won't have a clue. At least not until he shows up a long time later, reading through it and actually seeing all the stupid fake-spoilers with zero content we posted just to confuse him.
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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by Alvarin » Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:14 am

Quasispatial wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 am
Pfffft spoiler tags don't protect against links.
The link itself poses no spoiler. The tag was to indicate that following the link would present spoilers.
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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by Quasispatial » Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:37 am

Alvarin wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 10:14 am
Quasispatial wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2019 8:42 am
Pfffft spoiler tags don't protect against links.
The link itself poses no spoiler. The tag was to indicate that following the link would present spoilers.
Ah. Fair enough.
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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by The Troglodyte » Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:40 am

Thanks for the heads-up Alvarin. I’m sure there’s some Druuge dialogue I haven’t discovered yet, so I’ve been avoiding all sa-matra quotes stuff in general. I’ve also heard mention of the resource guide before too, but I think I’ve only glimpsed it by mistake once some time back, if it’s the one I’m thinking of. I had recently conjectured in my head similarly to krulle about the egg cases’ usage.

Back to the earlier mentioning of the Druuge crew complement format, I would’ve thought it better to bring a bunch of sheep or some such animal (not that I’m anti-sheep or anything) and toss those into the furnace instead, which presents the question… what kind of a power source would require flesh and bone to convert into energy to begin with? What I mean to say is… why does it have to be living tissue “specifically”? Why couldn’t you just throw in whatever’s nearby, such as vegetables, debris or all those tons of molybdenum you find everywhere! (or maybe coal? Hmmm?)
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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by Alvarin » Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:16 am

My take on it is they don't throw the crew into mass-energy converter directly, I think that Druuge mentality fits the idea of maximum output with low regard to surroundings, so the work conditions are way too hazardous around the energy generating apparatuses, so when the captain decides they need more energy *now* and crank up output, the tending personnel gets, say, instantly irradiated beyond survivable limits, something that in "usual" operating conditions is just safe enough.
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Re: About to try to beat Star Control 2...no spoilers!

Post by krulle » Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:52 am

Well, the Ressource playing guide is clear on that:
(Warning: the ressource guide contains otherwise a lot of spoilers)
ressource guide, page 39/40 wrote: Section: PUZZLES AND MYSTERIES EXPLAINED

Sub-section: Druuge: How to Trade in Good Conscience


At best, the Druuge are cruelly amoral merchants with no conscience or
concern for the rights of others. At worst, they are evil, conniving slavetraders,
seemingly born from the darkest pit of Hell. It is all a matter of
perspective — your perspective. More than anything, the Druuge want
members of your crew. They will trade all their wares for a supply of
your people to tend their atomic furnaces and/or serve as fuel for the
same. The question is, do you want to sell your crew into slavery, and
possibly hideous death, in exchange for a shiny bauble or a few units of
fuel?
[...]
They do serve as fuel for the atomic furnaces....

But then there's this bit:
ressource guide, page 25 wrote:Section: NEW ALIEN RACES BIOGRAPHIES

Sub-section: Druuge

Druuge history bears strong similarity to
that of Earth, however. Having evolved from solitary hunter-gatherers,
rather than tribes, the individualization of the Druuge is much greater
than that of most humans. Sentiment, and more specifically the concepts
of Love, Honor and Charity, are totally foreign. Druuge “families”
are profit-making undertakings. Mutually acceptable males and fe-males
meet at “Repro Mixers”, negotiate terms, sign the necessary forms, and
engage in the requisite carnality. Any offspring are instantly made part
of this business arrangement, and typically accept terms which give their
parents a 12-18% lifetime royalty on their income. Since the parents’
take is directly proportional to their offsprings’ occupation, families usually
spend considerable funds in education and specific training to further
the return on their investment.
It seems to me that throwing well-educated crew members into a furnace is not the best return-of-investment you can have.
By the time these furnaces work well, you should have access to better fuels.
Likely the Druuge already strip-mined their own home planet from all fuel reserves (fossil fuels like gas, oil, coal), but they should still have better fuel sources than living bodies. Except if their atomic furnaces can burn souls, and souls actually contain physical energy usable in this dimension...

Maybe we should watch them diligently, as they may be scientifically more advanced than we thought, Captain.

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