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Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Saria » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:12 pm

Stardock's CEO Brad is a Gamergate supporter and has written an article on the issue. He's also did an interview at the Escapist.

Does this negatively or positively impact your feelings on the next Star Control? I'm just curious about everyone's opinions.

Edit: A year ago this Gamergate thing happened. I wanted to edit this and say that I'm sorry I ever brought it up here in the first place, even though it was relevant at the time because of Brad's support of the issue.

I also wanted to apologize for bringing up Quinn's tweet in this thread.
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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Zeracles » Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:25 am

Initially, no. Because I had never heard of Gamergate*. After reading those two articles I still didn't know. And after reading enough to know what Gamergate proponents say are the virtues of Gamergate versus what its detractors claim, I still have no opinion, I think I'd have to follow it for a while to form one. But if gaming journalism is even worse than normal journalism it could be worthy.
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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Kwayne » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:59 pm

I'd be more concerned if Brad would somehow express his desire to affect game design, aesthetics or narrative based on some political views, even then I'm not sure how much.

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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Bleeding Star » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:52 pm

Saria wrote:Stardock's CEO Brad is a Gamergate supporter and has written an article on the issue. He's also did an interview at the Escapist.

Does this negatively or positively impact your feelings on the next Star Control? I'm just curious about everyone's opinions.
That first link doesn't seem to be about gamersgate - it's more about the lawsuit from his perspective. I found both articles fairly incoherent: kinda hard to determine exactly what went down. It does make me a little cautious, but to be honest my hopes are not high in the first place for a non-TfB Star Control game.

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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Nuclear » Wed Jan 14, 2015 7:25 pm

Saria wrote:Stardock's CEO Brad is a Gamergate supporter and has written an article on the issue. He's also did an interview at the Escapist. <br abp="929"><br abp="930">Does this negatively or positively impact your feelings on the next Star Control? I'm just curious about everyone's opinions. <br abp="931"><br abp="932">Bonus: the tweet that haunts my nightmares:<br abp="933">Image
Lol, "I will do pretty much anything". Let's hope Brad can keep his pants on this time, cause we all know what Zoe does to get her way. God damn, so first Anita Sarkeesian is allowed to join the Dev team of Mirror's Edge 2, and now Zoe Quinn wants to work on Star Control 2? I pray to Odin she's just joking. Imagine: the return of the hideously ugly Syreen, Utwig moodiness multiplied a thousand fold, Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah conflict turned into a social justice war in which all the races of the galaxy are force to choose sides. I would not pay money for that game, that's for damn sure. Politics aside, Zoe simply isn't a game dev. Her resume is severely lacking in that the only "game" she constructed was a shitty choose your own adventure written in HTML, which is exactly what I did as a middle school programming project. I'm equally, if not more so qualified, to be brought on board that dev team, according to Zoe. Trust me, you do NOT want me on that Dev team lol.

Anybody who has done any level of extensive research on the Gamergate issue will inevitably join the Gamer's side. For those not aware, the goals of Gamergate include, among other things:
* A strict level of transparency and ethical standards in game journalism (The example here involves non gamer sites yes, but they are all owned by Gawker media, who also owns Kotaku, the biggest offender in Gamergate)
* The removal of political agendas and conflicts of interest from objective game reviews
* The treatment of women and minority groups as regular people and not political shields
* To stop the bullying, manipulation, and coercion of game Devs and journalists whom don't follow the proper political agenda
* To stop gaming websites from propagating the idea that all gamers are "Fat, smelly, white, cisgendered male Misogynists", or in one case, "Terrorists".
* To stop judges and game reviewers from sleeping with their own subjects.
* To stop the shameless censorship taking place on reddit and other websites involved with the issue, including this very forum perhaps. One of my posts related to Brad Wardell was actually deleted without any kind of notification or reason given.
* To stop the racketeering and rigged contests involving indie games
* To disband the game journalist cabal: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09 ... -the-list/

and most important
* To get game journalists and other personnel to fess up and admit their mistakes instead of trying to escalate the issue to an irrelevant social justice cause.
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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Bleeding Star » Wed Jan 14, 2015 9:54 pm

I disagree strongly, but I don't want to re-open the whole gamersgate hoohah, except in the context that Saria brought it up.

I.e. Brad's defence of gamersgate does concern me, but not a lot, and I'm holding a wait and see attitude about any Star Control product from Stardock.

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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Angelfish » Thu Jan 15, 2015 12:22 pm

Nuclear wrote:
Saria wrote:Stardock's CEO Brad is a Gamergate supporter and has written an article on the issue. He's also did an interview at the Escapist. <br abp="929"><br abp="930">Does this negatively or positively impact your feelings on the next Star Control? I'm just curious about everyone's opinions. <br abp="931"><br abp="932">Bonus: the tweet that haunts my nightmares:<br abp="933">Image
Lol, "I will do pretty much anything". Let's hope Brad can keep his pants on this time, cause we all know what Zoe does to get her way. God damn, so first Anita Sarkeesian is allowed to join the Dev team of Mirror's Edge 2, and now Zoe Quinn wants to work on Star Control 2? I pray to Odin she's just joking. Imagine: the return of the hideously ugly Syreen, Utwig moodiness multiplied a thousand fold, Kzer-Za and Kohr-Ah conflict turned into a social justice war in which all the races of the galaxy are force to choose sides. I would not pay money for that game, that's for damn sure. Politics aside, Zoe simply isn't a game dev. Her resume is severely lacking in that the only "game" she constructed was a shitty choose your own adventure written in HTML, which is exactly what I did as a middle school programming project. I'm equally, if not more so qualified, to be brought on board that dev team, according to Zoe. Trust me, you do NOT want me on that Dev team lol.

Anybody who has done any level of extensive research on the Gamergate issue will inevitably join the Gamer's side. For those not aware, the goals of Gamergate include, among other things:
* A strict level of transparency and ethical standards in game journalism (The example here involves non gamer sites yes, but they are all owned by Gawker media, who also owns Kotaku, the biggest offender in Gamergate)
* The removal of political agendas and conflicts of interest from objective game reviews
* The treatment of women and minority groups as regular people and not political shields
* To stop the bullying, manipulation, and coercion of game Devs and journalists whom don't follow the proper political agenda
* To stop gaming websites from propagating the idea that all gamers are "Fat, smelly, white, cisgendered male Misogynists", or in one case, "Terrorists".
* To stop judges and game reviewers from sleeping with their own subjects.
* To stop the shameless censorship taking place on reddit and other websites involved with the issue, including this very forum perhaps. One of my posts related to Brad Wardell was actually deleted without any kind of notification or reason given.
* To stop the racketeering and rigged contests involving indie games
* To disband the game journalist cabal: http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/09 ... -the-list/

and most important
* To get game journalists and other personnel to fess up and admit their mistakes instead of trying to escalate the issue to an irrelevant social justice cause.
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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Draxas » Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:17 pm

Indeed. It would require drastic alterations to the current model of advertising, at the very least, which is simply not going to happen since there's too much money at stake.

And that's just the business aspect of it, never mind the whole social side of the issue.

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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Nuclear » Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:12 pm

Angelfish wrote:Stop believing in fairytales, these things will NEVER happen.
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Re: Gamergate Stardock and Star Control

Post by Angelfish » Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:57 am

Nuclear wrote:
Angelfish wrote:Stop believing in fairytales, these things will NEVER happen.
"We may get our atoms rearranged in the process but, by god captain, we're gonna' try!"
I think first step is actually trying to give a fuck, which doesn't really seem the case :).

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