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Re: Women on this board

Post by Angelfish » Sun Jan 25, 2015 5:08 pm

chenjesuwizard wrote: We should, but we aren't. It's easy to say "I don't see gender on the internet" when you don't have to deal with people degrading you because of your gender on the internet.
And that's exactly why this is still an issue!
I absolutely ignore gender on the internet, or atleast I try to ;).

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Post by Lukipela » Sun Jan 25, 2015 8:20 pm

Angelfish wrote:if you want me to speak a different language so you can understand what the fuck we were talking about, please say so.

Big words from a man who used his poor grasp of English as an excuse to why he couldn't handle long replies. Do you want me to dumb down Eth's reply for you a bit more, to the "man bites dog" level?
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chenjesuwizard wrote:Except that gender blind approach, as I've already mentioned, doesn't work. It fails to recognise the problems that women face, which are big problems. If you try and forget gender, you have to act as if men and women are equal already, and that they face the same problems that have to be fought.
The fact is, purely biologically, Men and Women are not equal. The different sexes are just that. Different.
This is a really weird definition of equality for what it is worth. Men and Men aren't equal under this definition either, there are all sorts of small differences (lactose tolerance, melanin concentration, eye colour) that separates us from each other biologically. We're such a diverse species that specific differences within most groups tends to be as big as that same specific difference between groups. In fact, the definition seems quite useless to me.
Angelfish wrote:And that's exactly why this is still an issue!
I absolutely ignore gender on the internet, or atleast I try to ;).
I think there is danger in this behaviour as well though. I mean, the fact is that the only people who can claim to not "see" gender, colour, nationality are those who are already privileged enough to not need to care, i.e. the people benefiting from the existing situation. And by claiming to not see the difference and actively working to diminish it in the "this happens to men too (although at extremely much lower frequency)!!!" kind of way.

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Re: Women on this board

Post by Shiver » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:24 pm

You know, I knock Frungy Lovers for being weirdos but I'm pretty sure I had my player character have sex with an alien in every Mass Effect game. Not only that, but it was a different alien every time. On a second run-through, I had a female version of Commander Shepard even got it on with that lizard sharpshooter with the targeting eyepiece in ME2, mostly because I was bored but also because he's a pretty cool guy. So maybe the real Frungy Lover... is me. Discuss.

EDIT: FOR CLARITY.
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Re: Women on this board

Post by Lukipela » Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:30 pm

As long as everyone both consented and was capable of consent, what you do is not really any of my business.

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Post by Bleeding Star » Tue Feb 03, 2015 8:32 pm

Shiver fucks lizards! He's a furry! (scaly?).

I tried to avoid most of the romances in the Mass effect games because I found them largely cringeworthy. Also, I'm racist against aliens. Though my female Shepard did somehow end up in bed with a Prothean after having a wee bit much to drink one night.

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Post by Shiver » Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:10 am

Bleeding Star wrote:Shiver fucks lizards! He's a furry! (scaly?).

I tried to avoid most of the romances in the Mass effect games because I found them largely cringeworthy. Also, I'm racist against aliens.
The joke is that BioWare crams tons of dialogue and character development behind their romances (often weird ones), so even people like me who don't really care for that nonsense dive right in because we want to see all the content.

Though my female Shepard did somehow end up in bed with a Prothean after having a wee bit much to drink one night.
Huh. Is this something that was added to the Citadel DLC, or are you talking about the part where you can get blackout drunk and your party members wake you up while you're passed out in the bathroom?

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Post by Bleeding Star » Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:33 pm

Yeah it was the party from the Citadel DLC. I think because I didn't pick any other options, he was the default.

Gross.

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Post by Shiver » Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:36 pm

As an aside, I really like how Bioware handled revealing the Protheans. Star Control runs into the same question with the precursors - what were they like? Well, this other game decided to fill in that blank and made them into an empire of supremacist jerks.

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Post by Bleeding Star » Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:50 pm

Yeah they're basically space-fascists. I thought it was a fun twist.

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Re: Women on this board

Post by Saria » Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:01 pm

Bleeding Star wrote:I have to say when I first went to Frungylovers there weren't enough WTFs in the world. I vaguely knew about shipping and slashfic, but Jesus H Christ Star Control is such a niche interest that I never thought there'd be any of that around here. I do find it all a bit peculiar to be honest, people get so incredibly invested in this stuff. Can't you keep your porn and your computer games separate like normal people?
Absolutely not.

Interesting note to keep this more on topic: there's actually a lot of feminist scholars who have looked into slash fiction and how those spaces came to be on the internet (a paper on Star Trek fics specifically comes to mind), So, yes, there are actual, academic studies based on slash fic. The more you know. ;)

(also thank you for the compliment)

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