Angelfish wrote:is Ukrainian. He always tell me not to say "the Ukraine". He says it's just "Ukraine". It's minor, but I found that interesting.
for him it's ukraine but for english people it's 'the ukraine'
. just the same as we sasy 'nederland' but you say 'the netherlands'.
We also say 'de krim' but english people say 'crimea' and russian people say.. well I don't know, I don't speak russian.
This is wrong. In english you normally only use the article for plurals. It's the
, but you never say "the Denmark" or the Greece". The only exceptions I know of is when the name is a whole slew of words like "The people's republic of whatever".
The reason Ukraine is sometimes referred to as "the Ukraine", is because of a translation of Russian/Ukranina articles AFAIK. Saying "the Ukraine" denotes it as a region rather than an independent country, kind of like "the Amazon", "the Sahara" or some such. Presumably this is because Ukraine used to be a part of the Russian Empire rather than a independent country and the article tagged along in older translations.
This is also why Ukrainians don't like their country being called "the Ukraine". Not only is it grammatically incorrect, it carries an implication that they aren't actually an independent country.
Of course, the way things seem to be going, it'll probably be correct to use "the Ukraine" again in a few more months...