In the present day and time, are Syreen still acceptable?

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In the present day and time, are Syreen still acceptable?

Post by Angelfish » Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:43 pm

We all know about objecifying women in videogames and movies etc.
As such, Social Justice warriors might see a sequel containing the syreen in it offensive.
What do you think? Should the syreen be removed or be better dressed in order to be accepted in the modern day and age?

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Post by Maloo Oture » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:07 pm

Good question. I think if the whole race is made to be objectified, males and females, then the whole argument becomes moot and their race just has really high libido.

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Post by Ogo3142 » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:22 pm

Social Justice warriors might see a sequel containing the syreen in it offensive.
Let them. Free publicity. They don't actually play games, anyway.

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Post by palmpet » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:02 pm

They should definitely not be removed.
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Re: In the present day and time, are Syreen still acceptable

Post by Draxas » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:32 pm

The runaway success of the recent Wonder Woman movie shows that, as long as you know what you're doing, you can write a story people will really enjoy with a character that has a history of being objectified. It may not be a completely comparable example, but despite that there is no reason that, with some smart writing, the Syreen couldn't be handled in a way that makes them acceptable to more modern sensibilities. After all, they have always been a play on the "blue skinned space babe" trope to begin with, and SC2 already did a fine job both lampooning and subverting that idea.

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Re: In the present day and time, are Syreen still acceptable

Post by The Troglodyte » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:59 pm

Are you meaning to tell me it's no longer socially acceptable to objectify scantily clad blue space alien women? Is nothing sacred any more?!
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Re: In the present day and time, are Syreen still acceptable

Post by Mormont » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:28 am

While not every race is returning, they probably won't be removed. If no one else, Talana basically has to be in with the frame story at the end of SC2.

The Syreen can be toned down a bit without repeating SC3's awful design or completely changing the character. Just give them a form-fitting dress or something and make the innuendo slightly more subtle in dialog. And keep developing them in the non-sexual aspects, as SC2 already did well after what they had started with in SC1.

Wonder if we'll meet a male Syreen?

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No.

Post by krulle » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:53 am

No. But I would be very disappointed if the subtext would disappear....

Just clad Talana in thick clothes, and point out that Humans like it slightly cooler than the Syra average temperature was, and that therefore they are wearing more clothes..... And with that, most of the problems will be gone.

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Re: In the present day and time, are Syreen still acceptable

Post by Death 999 » Mon Nov 13, 2017 7:54 pm

I have no problem with meeting male Syreen. Why shouldn't we, now that they're out from under the slave shield?

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Re: In the present day and time, are Syreen still acceptable

Post by fluffy_banana » Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:20 am

So, card-carrying social justice warrior here, but I think removing the only explicitly female-coded species/character you can directly speak to (if I remember correctly) in the original game would be the wrong way to go. The way the Syreen were portrayed was always pretty tacky frankly -- it's not really a matter of "in the present day". The low-hanging-fruit innuendo and the way they were dressed might have been eye-roll-worthy, sure, but the biggest problem was probably following the "blue aliens automatically fall in love with strange humans" script/trope to a tee without really lampshading it. Objectification isn't really about including revealing clothes and bad jokes or not, it's about agency. Sure, Star Control species are cartoonish, but for almost every other major species we get a well-drawn picture of what motivates their people or at least their actions toward Zelnick and the Alliance of Free Stars: fear for the Spathi, control for the Kzer-Za, kindness and mischief for the Pkunk, profit and curiousity for the Melnorme, honour for the Shofixti, and so on. For the Syreen ... it's not really clear, and I think the dialogue suffered for that. All that was left was the sex jokes; which it's okay to have -- all I'm saying is it's a pretty bad look for that to be their raison d'etre. So don't toss the Syreen out: just take it as an opportunity to make the game better.
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