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Re: Sequels strife

by chenjesuwizard » Fri Sep 10, 2021 11:48 pm

Oh wow, completely missed that!

Unfortunately I can't make posts in Whats News! But it is good to see us excited for it!

Re: Sequels strife

by krulle » Thu Sep 09, 2021 3:06 pm

It was mentioned and discussed in the "ZOMG Real UQM2!" thread:
http://star-control.com/community/viewt ... 383#p28383


But thanks for putting it up here too!
(also, feel free to create a thread about anything interesting coming up, e.g. the interface discussions on reddit,...
I'm following it only sparsely, as I am not on reddit)

Re: Sequels strife

by chenjesuwizard » Thu Sep 09, 2021 12:43 pm

I'm not sure if people are aware, but P&F have been working on a new game since last autumn! They spoke about it here: https://www.dogarandkazon.com/

They have set up a new sub-reddit to talk about things for the new game: https://www.reddit.com/r/uqm2/

Can we make a new topic about this?

Re: Sequels strife

by krulle » Fri Jan 08, 2021 9:50 am

Copyright for 95 years, lex Disney. (Otherwise the original Mickey Mouse (as depicted in Steamboat Willy) would've become public domain.
The US is an exception for that. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright ... es#History )

It's unusual that a character is being used commercially and successfully over such a long time.
Usually the creator would've been dead and not receive the income anymore.
But ownership by corporations changed that.

Re: Sequels strife

by Elestan » Thu Jan 07, 2021 2:52 pm

Draxas wrote: ↑Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:47 pmif that interval of doing nothing is long enough (though I'm not sure how long exactly, but I think it's something like 75 years?), there is an argument to be made that the work is now public domain and anyone can use it freely.
In the U.S., copyright for joint works or works for hire (which would include SC) lasts for 95 years after first publication. So there's a long time to go.

I would actually prefer that copyright be considerably shorter, but that's what we have right now.

Trademarks need to be renewed every ten years, but the company must keep then in use, or show at least an intent to use them, and has an obligation to defend them (i.e. keep other people from using them), or else they become vulnerable. One of the arguments in the court case was that Atari had neglected the use of the trademark for so long that it lapsed before Stardock bought it.

Re: Sequels strife

by Draxas » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:47 pm

Borgie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:34 pmMy own opinion about F&P making no progress... doing nothing with your property doesn't mean it belongs to someone else. As much as I'd love for F&P to make the sequel, we can't just say "you took too long, now it's mine". That's now how ownership of property works. I'm sure there are some legal nuances here, for or against. Once again, my opinion.
You're right that it doesn't work this way. However, if that interval of doing nothing is long enough (though I'm not sure how long exactly, but I think it's something like 75 years?), there is an argument to be made that the work is now public domain and anyone can use it freely. I'm not sure video games as a medium are even old enough to qualify yet, so that's not really a risk. Trademarks, however, I think will lapse much more quickly (though again, I don't know the specifics and can't even guess in this case).

Re: Sequels strife

by Elestan » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:38 pm

Borgie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:34 pmForgive me if this was already made clear: is renaming "Ghosts of the Precursors" due to legal issues (or even because it links to the lawsuit) or because they just didn't like the name?
It's due to legal issues; Stardock was claiming that they had associated the name with Stardock's trademark, and therefore couldn't use it.

Stardock might or might not have won that argument if it had gone to court, but regardless, it was something P&F chose to concede in the settlement.

Re: Sequels strife

by Borgie » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:34 pm

Forgive me if this was already made clear: is renaming "Ghosts of the Precursors" due to legal issues (or even because it links to the lawsuit) or because they just didn't like the name?

As for "help with technology", that's extremely vague (and probably on purpose). Technology could be game-engine technology. Or development tools (my guess). Or even computer hardware (this seems unlikely to me). Even dev tools are a vast in scope. Summary: We have no clue what it could mean, unless F&P/Brad have given out more hints.

My own opinion about F&P making no progress... doing nothing with your property doesn't mean it belongs to someone else. As much as I'd love for F&P to make the sequel, we can't just say "you took too long, now it's mine". That's now how ownership of property works. I'm sure there are some legal nuances here, for or against. Once again, my opinion.

Also, Happy New Year everyone!

Re: Sequels strife

by krulle » Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:21 pm

Should've reloaded the page before amending my post.

You saw the same as I did, and I already corrected myself while I had this tab with the outdated post open in the background.

Re: Sequels strife

by Elestan » Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:19 pm

krulle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:15 pm
Elestan wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 8:32 pm
krulle wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:17 pmAnd it could be F&P will design their game in the engine of StarDock. Or at least some part of the engine might be used for UQM2.
This seems extremely unlikely to me, unless it was forced upon P&F as part of the settlement. Given the fights they've had to endure over these IP rights, I think that the last thing they would want to do is to give Stardock additional control over their future game by using its technology.
I found it weird too, but it's the only interpretation I can come up for "Brad will help with technology".
Note that the actual quote is (emphasis added):
Brad offered to help Fred and Paul with technology.
Brad offering is not surprising; he's been wanting P&F to hitch their game to Stardock from the beginning. But they've never given any indication that they were actually interested in doing so.

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