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Re: Sequels strife

by krulle » Wed Jan 23, 2019 5:50 am

F&P already submitted them into the procedure....

Re: Sequels strife

by Matthias » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:11 am

... despite having acknowledged repeatedly in multiple emails that he didn’t.

Can those emails be submitted as evidence, or will a simple “I didn’t realize at the time that I did in fact buy them” be enough to negate them?

Re: Sequels strife

by krulle » Tue Jan 22, 2019 9:04 pm

Because Fred and Paul wish to defend their story and setting, so that they can continue their story, while Stardock has publicly announced that it does want ti take their setting and do whatever they please with it.
And if Stardock succeeds uncontested, I am sure they will contest any new game by Fred and Paul that setting, as with an Origins having that setting, it would've become intrinsically linked with Stardock's trademark.
So, F&P have to nipit early.
And then there's the CEO of Stardock that continues the narrative of being the victim, and that he bought everything and all in the bankruptcy auction, and that F&P have therefore no rights left..

Re: Sequels strife

by Stickman_king_28 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:41 pm

Why is the battle CONTINUING though? Just want to know that. (guess is pettiness and unwillingness to back down and seem strong n crap)

Re: Sequels strife

by Draxas » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:00 pm

Stickman_king_28 wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 6:34 pm
Kinda off topic of steam/gog/etc but EVERYONE wants both s*ardock and F&P to continue making games, right? (Saw that on reddit somewhere. its already been said is my guess)
I absolutely want to see Fred, Paul, and everyone at TFB continue to make games. If Brad and Stardock dropped completely off the face of the planet, however, I don't think I would notice or care if not for this legal battle (which hasn't exactly made my view of them particularly rosy).
krulle wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:31 am
But regarding the final outcome of the case, there's nothing in there to base any predictions for the final decisions on trademark infringement ("true sequel") and copyright infringement in that decision.
True, though the DMCA case does give us at least some idea of where the chips might fall, and who has some additional legal ammunition in their belts. In particular, the judge stating that Stardock has essentially made their own bed, and now can't complain about having to lie in it, is pretty telling (or so I might hope). The thing about trials are, though, that it's impossible to predict how they will end up. There is always the potential for surprises, both big and small, as things proceed and when the decision is made. That's why out-of-court settlement tends to be such a popular alternative to actually seeing a trial through to its end.

Re: Sequels strife

by krulle » Tue Jan 22, 2019 10:31 am

No sales numbers, but someone on Reddit is tracking the playtime the players actually play ORigins: ... isnt_free/ (week 18) ... s_week_17/ (week 17) ... d_week_15/ (week 15)

As far as I can see it, there's no easy way to filter them out as a non-reddit-member....

Also, the case just concerned getting Fred and Paul barred from sending DMCA notices.
The judge had to say a few things about that, and it found very interesting words to say.
So, after this decision, Fred and Paul are free to use their legal right to prevent the spreading of alleged infringing material and by doing so transferring the risk from the hosters to the content provider.
But regarding the final outcome of the case, there's nothing in there to base any predictions for the final decisions on trademark infringement ("true sequel") and copyright infringement in that decision.

Re: Sequels strife

by Matthias » Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:58 am

Anyone know how well the game is selling? It got mixed reviews, it’s based on an IP that wasn’t all that (commercially) successful in the first place, and Brad had alienated a huge portion of the fan base that I imagine would/should have been the core target of the game.

Also, wow. Didn’t realize Brad got burned THIS bad.

Re: Sequels strife

by Stickman_king_28 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:17 pm

Tbh origins isnt too bad, its just that they could've tweaked a few things and made it non star control, and it'd be great.

Re: Sequels strife

by krulle » Mon Jan 21, 2019 7:51 am

I thought there already has been one judge-ordered pre-trial mediation.
That was what Mr. Wardell was complaining about, that the Dogar and Kazon pair has published the settlement offers [1], despite Stardock thinking there was a confidentiality requirement. (Which the judge apparently did not order beforehand, only after the publication and Stardock requesting one.)

Re: Sequels strife

by 2-23-6 » Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:58 am

The realistic outcome is that the judge will tell them not to tie up a jury in a bullshit case and work it out through pre-trial mediation.